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 Originally Posted by Ragnar4
Originally Posted by BennyLaRue
Originally Posted by Ragnar4
Right, so 3-betting preflop would have thinned the field, flatting would have gotten one or two more calls for value.
amirite?
No. Caro is saying you should raise. He is not saying you should try to invite as many players into the pot as possible. The passage in question discusses what the reason is for raising. The reason isn't to thin the field, which is what many people think is the reason for raising. The reason you raise this, and all your good hands preflop, is for value.
I understand where Fnord is coming from...not debating that. The point is simply that what you've done isn't what Caro is suggesting.
Please go to page 305 of Mike Caro's "most profitable holdem advice":
"Often overlooked strategy #4.
Usually don't re-raise when you have a very strong hand and you'll force opponents to call a double raise or to fold. Analysis suggests that you'll make more long range profit by just calling and "inviting" other opponents to call also.
...Further down the page...
Analsys has PROVEN that a pair of aces in limit hold'em games make most money, on average, when played against four or five opponents, not just against one. In accourdance with this knowledge, I just call, invinting more players into my pot. Sure, it's risky, and I'll lose many more pots than I would otherwise; but I'll average more profit-- and that's all I care about-- I call.
So what's this about what Mike Caro was, and wasn't talking about?
Dont have that book, but i'm pretty sure it's not about shorthanded LHE
edit
my previous post regarding thinning the field postflop clearly was not what you where referring to. Hard to keep track of what the maniac writes, and he seems to get crazier in his theories...
I'll definitely stick to Sklansky, Miller and Stox
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