DrivingDog wrote:
I would NEVER fold A4o to a steal raise, unless the guy raising is EXTREMELY tight. Even a TAG would raise a lot of hands your favoured against (KQ, QJ, JT, etc.) and getting 3:1 on the preflop call i'm not folding an Ace, period. If an Ace comes on the flop i play it slow but the fact that i don't reraise preflop or bet out on the flop encourages a lot of guys to bluff an Ace without one in their hand, or bet if they hit middle pair or have a pocket pair or whatever. Then i just c/c the whole way and take it down. If they do have a better Ace well lucky them (unless i hit two pair then i'm getting paid off huge).

And if the flop comes rags or a strong draw i bet out the Ace against a TAG. If he misses the flop no way he's calling without a club. If i were in BB payoff bot's shoes i would be betting that flop, maybe even c/r like was suggested.

Euphoricism wrote:
This is some stinkin thinking. Even getting 3:1, the fact that your OOP and villain gets to bet his best hands while checking behind and freecarding with his worse means even when youre 60/40 ahead, you simply won't make the difference up postflop. Calling is absolutely a losing play. Raising is probably a losing play too, but its certainly less of a losing play and atleast its good for the image.

Sorry but if calling with a hand that's 50% against villian's range is wrong then what do you call with? By that logic you should fold K9+, QJ, etc. as well. I know the kicker is bad but it's still a decent hand getting 3.5:1 and you can fold the flop if it looks ugly. Villian already has position so if he's any good he is going to bet his best hands and checking behind and freecarding with his worst in any case. Sorry but i need that one explained to me.


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