$25 NL 6 Max hand. Top pair against Aggressive player.

Another bog standard hand really. I apologize for this. I know they may seem trivial to some of the better players, but these are the kind of hands I am making mistakes in.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($24.14)
Hero (BB) ($25.35)
UTG ($53.35)
MP ($25)
CO ($9.05)
Button ($28.76)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, Q
1 fold, MP bets $0.85, 2 folds, SB calls $0.75, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.55) 8, Q, 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($6.55) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $5, Hero folds

Total pot: $6.55

Results in white below:
MP didn't show
Outcome: MP won $11.23


Early position raiser. 358 hands on him. Must have been datamined, as I don't have any notes on him, and I really do take some notes down. He has an aggression factor of 5, and a turn aggression factor of 15 !

22/18. His range utg is 8%. There is a caller in the small blind who is a massive fish. Which Is why I decided to call. I assume this isn't a huge mistake ?

On the flop, standard to check yes ? I didn't see any point in betting, check and see what happens. Got a bet of the Raiser, and a fold from the fish. Although his range is very strong, I felt it to weak to fold on the flop, especially against someone so aggresive. So I call.

Then the turn, he makes a pretty large bet, is this time to get out now ? His turn AF is massive, but if I call now I am almost certainly facing a bet on the river.

As I Said it may seem pretty standard to you guys, but I am working hard to plug leaks.

Any comments welcome.

Cheers

Blazing

I don't think I would have called his raise pf. I would have led on the flop for 1/2 pot. Checking is too weak of a line for me here. He might think twice about raising with AK or JJ here. As played you have to fold on the turn.

Originally Posted by 2ndline.4thstreet

I don't think I would have called his raise pf. I would have led on the flop for 1/2 pot. Checking is too weak of a line for me here. He might think twice about raising with AK or JJ here. As played you have to fold on the turn.

I'm not dismissing your post. However it kind of goes against everything I have been taught, and learned over the past year.

I would have folded pre flop a few months back, but my thinking is, Q10s has enough potential multi way to see a cheap flop. , all be it only two players. One of which was a huge fish, which was why I decided to call. This is where I run in to problems, because I am good enough to know that top pair isn't the kind of hand I am looking for, but at the same time, I felt it was to weak to just fold one flop bet.

Also leading out the flop seems an awful play. Two players to act after me. I have good relative position, checking for information seems best to me. The fish is likely to check (Check call is what this player does, although he check folded this time) The pre flop raiser is well capable of firing with a wide range of hands for one bet. and is only going to fold worse hands if I bet.

That was my thinking although I am asking for advice so my logic may be wrong.

Originally Posted by 2ndline.4thstreet

I don't think I would have called his raise pf. I would have led on the flop for 1/2 pot. Checking is too weak of a line for me here. He might think twice about raising with AK or JJ here. As played you have to fold on the turn.

why are we making him "think twice" about betting w AK and JJ? we want the few hands that we have beat to cbet here. they're not gonna get a good double barrelling card ('cause another broadway likely makes us way behind in the hand anyway), so if we can get one street of value from missed hands, then we have a good shot of making it to showdown

Your logic is not really making since your getting that fancy poker playing syndrome. BET FLOP!?!? and I would then bet turn also I really hate every single decision u made. FOLD preflop aswell and since he is a fish what are u hoping for he has Q9- kinda reverse implied odds here.

And I like to bet 2 dollars on flop and like 3 on turn and then if he still calls i might c/c river depending on how much he bets

Originally Posted by T-Rex

Your logic is not really making since your getting that fancy poker playing syndrome. BET FLOP!?!? and I would then bet turn also I really hate every single decision u made. FOLD preflop aswell and since he is a fish what are u hoping for he has Q9- kinda reverse implied odds here.

And I like to bet 2 dollars on flop and like 3 on turn and then if he still calls i might c/c river depending on how much he bets

wat.

i think pf is fine, we have position on the fish (i havnt checked stack sizes but if we're all at least 100bb then yah).

postflop - would you kindly tell me which hands worse then Q10 the original raiser is going to call a flop donkbet with? remember we are donking into 2 players. double barreling here (if we loldonk flop and are called) just seems uber fucking retarded. but that doesnt even come close to c/c river if we donk lead 2 streets and are called by the pf raiser.

ranges are your friend sir.

Originally Posted by sil693

Originally Posted by T-Rex

Your logic is not really making since your getting that fancy poker playing syndrome. BET FLOP!?!? and I would then bet turn also I really hate every single decision u made. FOLD preflop aswell and since he is a fish what are u hoping for he has Q9- kinda reverse implied odds here.

And I like to bet 2 dollars on flop and like 3 on turn and then if he still calls i might c/c river depending on how much he bets

wat.

i think pf is fine, we have position on the fish (i havnt checked stack sizes but if we're all at least 100bb then yah).

postflop - would you kindly tell me which hands worse then Q10 the original raiser is going to call a flop donkbet with? remember we are donking into 2 players. double barreling here (if we loldonk flop and are called) just seems uber fucking retarded. but that doesnt even come close to c/c river if we donk lead 2 streets and are called by the pf raiser.

ranges are your friend sir.

okayyy now....how would u play this lol u didnt get that far?

ok. c/f flop.

what did you learn?

now, what is villains PF range? what is his cbet range? what is his donkbet calling range? what is his double barrel calling range?