22 in the sb, multiway pre but unsure about implied odds

MP ($12.81)
Button ($5.22)
Hero (SB) ($6.34)
BB ($8.08)
UTG ($0.83)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2, 2
UTG bets $0.15, MP calls $0.15, Button calls $0.15, hero: ??

PFR'ers stack is way small, but there are 2 others in the pot with decent stacks. However I feel like they are only calling with speculative hands like PP's and medium to strong SC's such that im rarely going to stack someone and often going to get stacked by bigger hands here if the chips go in.

What do you guys think is this a fold or a call?

Call and set mine, there is a good chance that one of the two full stacked opps will hit something, plus there is already 9bb in the pot to sweeten the deal.

mp and button are in there and are deep enough. multiway this is a super std call.

oh ok, my question was really is setmining actually +ev here but i didnt ask that properly. anyway ty the answer is yes it seems

preflop try to be born in a different country

Originally Posted by kiwiMark

preflop try to be born in a different country

lol

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

i see more NZ'ers moving to aus than vice versa sir

Yes. Setmining is +EV in this situation.

Set mining is +EV if the stacks are right and if you can get it in. Against some it's not going to work because you'll not be able to extract enough. You're going to hit your set one out of eight times.

Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13

You're going to hit your set one out of eight times.

i'm not so sure this is true. though most of the poker maths i "know" i've learnt by memory. so i could be wrong. i thought it was closer to 8:1 against (which would be 1/9).

as for the hand. one less caller and i may fold, but getting almost 4:1, we don't have to extract much more than a pot-sized bet postflop in order for flatting to be neutral EV. given there are 3 opponents, one of them is pretty likely to flop top pair or some other hand they call a street or two with.

It's 10.8% chance of flopping a set with a pocket pair, or 1:8.3.

Against only one limper, depending on who he his, I'll sometimes raise it, sometimes fold it.

Originally Posted by rpm

i'm not so sure this is true. though most of the poker maths i "know" i've learnt by memory. so i could be wrong. i thought it was closer to 8:1 against (which would be 1/9).

May be correct RPM as I am relying on an old memory myself!

Originally Posted by daviddem

It's 10.8% chance of flopping a set with a pocket pair, or 1:8.3

Not quite.

1 - (48/50)*(47/49)*(46/48) = 0.11755102, or 11.76% approx, or 1 in 8.5 approx, or 1:7.5 approx.

1 - (48/50)*(47/49)*(46/48) = 0.11755102, or 11.76% approx, or 1 in 8.5 approx, or 1:7.5 approx.

You're right. These are the odds of flopping a set or better, which is really what we are interested into. The ones I quoted are the odds of flopping exactly a set.

Note: actually 1 - (48/50)*(47/49)*(46/48) = 0.882449 and these are the odds of x not being on the flop when we hold xx. 1-0.882449=11.76% are then the odds that at least one x is on the flop, which includes xyy and xxy flops which give you a boat or quads.