Yeah, I've read your posts on that before, Raz.

KK is one of those hands that I want to get it in pre. The times that I run into AA will be more than compensated by the times that some moron calls with AJ+ or worse pp and doesn't draw an A or set and the times that I shove and everyone folds.

IMO, on your posted hand I'd 4bet to about $9.25 and call a shove. If the co 5bets to about 15-ish then shove.

if you flat and get a 9 high rainbow then I'd get it in otf.