2nl 6max - Ah5h vs aggro opponent in limped pot

Fold flop period. Nothing about this leads me to believe villain has second best at all!

As well as my thoughts above, why is villain firing the river so big when my range must be very weak to limp behind the sb and not iso the fish, bet 4c into 6c & not reraise, c/c turn and then check river? What is that bet size achieving if there is hardly anything in my range to get value against? Is villain never putting pressure on me if he thinks my range is draws and hands like 5x, 4x inc 44, 22 etc?

I appreciate that this is normally a standard fold on the flop, but is there any discussion to be had about my thought process?

Originally Posted by Dex

As well as my thoughts above, why is villain firing the river so big when my range must be very weak to limp behind the sb and not iso the fish, bet 4c into 6c & not reraise, c/c turn and then check river? What is that bet size achieving if there is hardly anything in my range to get value against? Is villain never putting pressure on me if he thinks my range is draws and hands like 5x, 4x inc 44, 22 etc?

I appreciate that this is normally a standard fold on the flop, but is there any discussion to be had about my thought process?

It's a really terrible mistake to assume some random shitty fish at this limit is thinking like this at all. People are clicking buttons and putting very minimal thought into things. There's no way in hell he is thinking about your range in the first place never mind about how to adjust to it.

I highly doubt he is just 5xing this lead in a tiny limped pot wioth total air unless you have a read that this is what he does and have actually seen him bluff massive sizes like this for no apparent reason in the past in tiny pots he has no real investment in.

His range is basically going to be draws which have like 50% equity vs you and sets, 2 pair etc, overpairs occassionally. Note the board ran out fucking amazingly for you in this hand, most of the time it will run out horribly, you have to fold on any flush card and loads of overcards will put you into a terrible spot where you're confused to his bluffing frequnecies and making mistakes in a hand where your equity vs your villains range sucked balls on the flop, and hence you shouldn't even be seeing a turn anyway.

As played I don't hate calling down at all because the board runs out to vastly reduce his value combos and wieghts his range a lot towadrs busto draws. You need to fold this flop though because again, your equity sucks and you're going to be out of position and lost onmany turns, making mistakes where villain will at least have decent equity and at most have you crushed.

People don't do this with complete air at all for this sizing in a limped multiway pot, unless you've identified them as totally insane, and your reads on villain are simply that he's aggro not erratically mental.

And yeah don't assume villain is thinking anything along the lines of "my opponent's range is weak therefore I must bet small" That is a rediculous assumption to make vs this tard, and will just lead to you owning yourself repeatadly. The reason you call the river is that your equity is good enough due to villain having few value combos and being wiehgted towards missed draws, it has nothing to do with some thought process he almost certainly isn't capable of.

Carroters, that's a brilliant response and the kind of reason I keep reading FTR. Thanks for taking the time to post that.

No sweat bra.