Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
Plug in your equity holding 72o in multi-handed pots against wide ranges, Cobra.
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OK, so how bad can you possibly be from the SB?
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about 4% over all 5 board cards against 8 Villains playing ATC.

And the same scenario with your actual hand (QJo)?
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Come on man, do it yourself

Now: it's common to get odds up to 7:1 or 9:1 in limped pots from the SB

What odds do you need to nut-mine...?

Well, you can expect to flop 2 pair or better (which I'll call a nut hand for this discussion) with QJo about 5% of the time. This does NOT count when the flop comes AAQ, KKQ, AAJ or KKJ, but DOES count QTT and J88 type flops, as well as all QJx, AKT, KT9, and T98. Of course, QQQ, JJJ, QQJ, and QJJ are in there, but only comprise 0.1% of the flops.

With 5%, you need about 19:1 total equity.

You're getting 9:1 in this pot. that leaves (19 - 9 = ) 10*$0.02 = $0.20 more into a pot of $0.20. If you can't get this implied equity when you hit this flop with 2 pair or better, then you have fold equity that makes it even more profitable to widen your range SB.

Also, 6% of the time, you'll flop OESD (holding QJ or 54), sometimes with a pair to go with it.
OK, wow. You have literally just shown me something that I had never EVER thought of. I lose so much money from the blinds, which I know is because I hate limping, but this just made me look at it a little differently.

When I get hands like this dealt to me in the SB, in a limped pot, I just think of the chances of somebody limping in with a hand that dominates me ( as I pointed out in this post ) and I just end up folding.

I think this is gonna be the next part of my game I work on.

Quality post.