5NL, some preflop spots, go all-in?

jfc dont play JJ in a 3b pot with a fish in it for set value

Originally Posted by Bbickes

jfc dont play JJ in a 3b pot with a fish in it for set value

So what, fold? Or play JJ like the nuts? There's only one fish in the pot, and he's short. I'd be playing for set value against the big stack, and whatever will be will be against the fish.

I don't see what other options there are, we either raise, which doesn't seem wise, or fold, which is missing potential value. Calling can only really be for set value unless we think our overpair is beating the big stack.

So you're calling JJ, if not for set value then why?

Originally Posted by OngBonga

unless we think our overpair is beating the big stack.

So you're calling JJ, if not for set value then why?

You're acting like JJ isn't good enough as a call against the big stack's range. I would rethink that. Also, add in the shortie who if he calls we'll most likely be happy to get it in postflop.

It's not for set value and it's not a fold = call because it plays well vs. their ranges.

Originally Posted by kmind

You're acting like JJ isn't good enough as a call against the big stack's range. I would rethink that. Also, add in the shortie who if he calls we'll most likely be happy to get it in postflop.

It's not for set value and it's not a fold = call because it plays well vs. their ranges.

I'm not sure JJ does play well against his range. 4 hands is not enough info for me to decide he can do this wider than AK+ QQ+. I approach this spot with caution, put him on an uber-tight range and play for set value. I've got no problem calling JJ to a 3bet this size if I think it plays well against villain's range, but I need more than four hands to give a wide enough range to consider it better than a set mining hand.