AK help

I played this hand a few minutes ago and i JUST KNEW he had QQ, however i did not listen to myself and called. the villian was 16/12, was i wrong for calling this?

$0.10/$0.20 No Limit Holdem
CakePoker
8 Players

Stacks:
UTG ($19.79) 99bb
UTG+1 ($25.77) 129bb
MP1 ($6.38) 32bb
MP2 ($26.38) 132bb
sotekmedia (CO) ($19.05) 95bb
BTN ($19.81) 99bb
SB ($20) 100bb
BB ($15.23) 76bb

Pre-Flop: ($0.30, 8 players) sotekmedia is CO
UTG calls $0.20, 3 folds, sotekmedia raises to $0.60, 1 fold, SB raises to $1.67, 1 fold, UTG folds, sotekmedia calls $1.07

Flop: ($3.74, 2 players)
SB checks, sotekmedia bets $1.87, SB calls $1.87

Turn: ($7.48, 2 players)
SB checks, sotekmedia bets $4.99, SB goes all-in $16.46, sotekmedia goes all-in $10.52

River: ($38.50, 2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $38.50
SB shows Three of a Kind Queens

sotekmedia shows


SB wins $37.53 (net +$17.53)

UTG lost $0.20
sotekmedia lost $19.05

Ok so turn is blatantly a fold.

If you want more, you really need to give us more info. What's your image at the table? How often does he 3bet the sb? How many hands sample do you have on this guy? Any other reads on him? Did anyone limp? There's so many gaps in the HH that you can't hope to get any good feedback other than...

fold turn lol.

Sorry, its my first time here - Figured its time to tighen up my game. My image was pretty tight i was running 17/10, I have around 500 hands on him. His 3bet in the SB is 3%

I think the main reason i called here was because 2 hands prior to this one he bluffed a board that was very close to this one after 3betting someone.

I think the main reason i called here was because 2 hands prior to this one he bluffed a board that was very close to this one after 3betting someone.

That does make this spot trickier. See what others say.

Why is his range as narrow as QQ? What makes you think he's have done anything different with KK or AA? Or AK for that matter?

I'd be tempted to check back the turn. What's he calling a bet with that I'm beating? And if he check-raises, whether all in or small, I can't see enough reason to call. So since I did bet and he shoved, I now fold.

What's he calling a bet with that I'm beating?

Same could be said for flop. Value is really thin on the flop, just as it is on turn, JJ folds, so we're getting value from AQ, and since he might only have AQs, and since he maybe even folds it on the flop, I don't really know why we're betting the flop. Certainly when we get called I'm not betting the turn.

I think this is a fold pre, because if we hate KQx flop with AK, we shouldn't be in the hand imo.

But his earlier bluff, it makes it tricky because we have tptk vs someone who can take strong lines as a bluff. Was this villain oop vs the raiser when he ran his 3bet bluff hand?

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Same could be said for flop. Value is really thin on the flop, just as it is on turn, JJ folds, so we're getting value from AQ, and since he might only have AQs, and since he maybe even folds it on the flop, I don't really know why we're betting the flop. Certainly when we get called I'm not betting the turn.

I think this is a fold pre, because if we hate KQx flop with AK, we shouldn't be in the hand imo.

But his earlier bluff, it makes it tricky because we have tptk vs someone who can take strong lines as a bluff. Was this villain oop vs the raiser when he ran his 3bet bluff hand?

Value is very thin on the flop I agree that a check is good. I don't understand folding pre because we don't like a certain board texture wtf?

I also don't get the OP. I wouldn't bet flop here as a bluff. I don't think he's folding QQ just yet.

I dunno, sb 3b pre against a button open, sb just bluffed.

I guess donking flop is a bit Shit, c/c could be better, but I'm not folding to the flop raise against this villain in this spot. Maybe check turn, call a small bet.

kmind, yeah I know folding pre is wtf, but I keep coming to the same problem... betting flop seems too thin, so if we're checking KQx flop ip with AK, what's our plan for the turn/river? Call both streets? What hands do we beat that bets turn and river? Call turn fold river? Seems like we're throwing money away vs his strong range/ b/f turn? Value is still thin.
So if we're folding to any bet, which seems correct here to me, then I can't help feel we shouldn't have played our hand pre. It's probably flawed thinking, I get that. I don't know what optimal is here.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

kmind, yeah I know folding pre is wtf, but I keep coming to the same problem... betting flop seems too thin, so if we're checking KQx flop ip with AK, what's our plan for the turn/river? Call both streets? What hands do we beat that bets turn and river? Call turn fold river? Seems like we're throwing money away vs his strong range/ b/f turn? Value is still thin.
So if we're folding to any bet, which seems correct here to me, then I can't help feel we shouldn't have played our hand pre. It's probably flawed thinking, I get that. I don't know what optimal is here.

F I thought WE were 3betting preflop .

Preflop is closer than I thought but still not a fold due to the fact I think villain's 3bet% is a little wider now 2 handed. I actually do think we can value bet the flop but that's only if my earlier assumption of a wider 3bet% is correct. I expect AQ/QJ/JT to c/c while 99-JJ to c/f flop.

But I'd bet flop smaller

def not folding pre, flop doesn't seem thin at all, betting turn smaller

Originally Posted by Imthenewfish

def not folding pre, flop doesn't seem thin at all, betting turn smaller

Ok folding pre is probably very retarded. But when a 16/12 checks this flop to us after 3betting sb pre (3%), alarm bells are ringing for me. AK, AQ and AA all bet imo, so he's left with JJ-KK. Value vs JJ is non existent, while QQ/KK obv fucks us hard.

It's this read he bluffed a few hands previous, that's the only thing that has me thinking about paying him off. But he's just showed a bluff, a failed one I presume, so I'd expect him to tighten up for the next few hands, esp oop.

This flop sucks hard, we know it, but we're gonna b/f flop and turn before giving up? I'm sorry if I'm having a hard time accepting this is optimal.