Is this a bad call?

No solid reads on the vill. I'm aware the pot bet is too small ($0.80-.90 would be better I suppose)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($11.90)
SB ($10)
BB ($8.65)
UTG ($5.40)
Hero (MP) ($10.05)
CO ($11.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J, J
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, Button calls $0.40, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.95) 3, 8, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, Button calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.15) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $1.20, Button calls $1.20

River: ($4.55) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $2, Button raises to $9.70 (All-In), Hero calls $5.85 (All-In)

Total pot: $20.25 | Rake: $1

Afterwards he did the usual "complain about the call" because he took a really strong line, IHO, and I can only beat a bluff. I didn't see him playing a FD that way, and AQ or something that would either be 3bet pre I think, or raised on the turn if he didn't think I had it. I'm not sure if AQ is shoving that river either. QQ+ gets 3bet pre. I guess I could have had a FD, but I honestly could not put him on a hand that played like this. Is he only doing this with 44 and 88? I didn't have a read that he superslowrolled to the river. Could he be doing this with 55-TT as well if he just doesn't believe me or something?

I'm a winning player but I am not yet a deep thinking player and more expert insight into what my thought process should be in these situations would be great. I'm trying to move up to that next step (or those next steps).

Thanks for any help.

*cricket*

I expect a lot of people to be slowplaying a lot of hands at 10NL. You're usually beat against this line.

Like you said, more on flop, and then if you bet turn make it bigger aswell, but be aware that your hand is a bluff from now on as a naked 8 will probably not call another bet on this board. 65 might call, deoending on the villain but since he's unknown I'm probably c/f'ing the turn.

Let's say we're in position, then I'm much more likely to bet the turn and check back on the river.

But OOP getting called gets you in exactly the spot you found yourself in.

You decided to blockbet this hand on the river and you've shown exactly the reason why I LOVE valueraising these blockbets with a wide range. Blockbettors are experts in talking them into herocalls.

Sugar Nut

Thanks for that insanely detailed and insightful response.

AQ is not a hand you 3b pre (maybe as a bluff) because you're folding out people who open AT/AJ
I'd flat IP and fold OOP with AQ
but he calls the river with AQ
you can make an argument for flatting QQ against a nit (I don't know if you're a nit, but if I 3b I usually get it in against worse or as a flip)

his range on the river is:
33,44,88,QQ,flush,air

but air is like 5% of his range, and his value range is crushing the hell out of you

on the turn, I check and hope he checks behind
I call a bet and c/f the river most of the time (or possibly check/call if I get a one card flush and he bets weak)
is the call one street/fold line bad? I do it kind of a lot when I have a medium strength hand

Afterwards he did the usual "complain about the call" because he took a really strong line, IHO, and I can only beat a bluff. I didn't see him playing a FD that way, and AQ or something that would either be 3bet pre I think, or raised on the turn if he didn't think I had it. I'm not sure if AQ is shoving that river either. QQ+ gets 3bet pre. I guess I could have had a FD, but I honestly could not put him on a hand that played like this. Is he only doing this with 44 and 88? I didn't have a read that he superslowrolled to the river. Could he be doing this with 55-TT as well if he just doesn't believe me or something?

your assumptions are off but your approach to understanding is sound!

Lol I totally nailed that 5% of his range that was air!

In restrospect, his line does seem really strong. My problem was I couldn't imagine myself playing it that way so I didn't think he would, which can only ever be partially correct. I hate the idea of c/c turns and c/f rivers, but I seem to see that suggested a lot so I guess I should start doing it in these marginal situations.

I am not a nit, and am only not active when I am completely card dead, but how often is he flatting QQ pre and not raising this flop either?

What's his most likely hand on the river? It kinda looks like a flopped set to me. What do you guys think?

Originally Posted by Illfavor

Lol I totally nailed that 5% of his range that was air!

In restrospect, his line does seem really strong. My problem was I couldn't imagine myself playing it that way so I didn't think he would, which can only ever be partially correct. I hate the idea of c/c turns and c/f rivers, but I seem to see that suggested a lot so I guess I should start doing it in these marginal situations.

I am not a nit, and am only not active when I am completely card dead, but how often is he flatting QQ pre and not raising this flop either?

What's his most likely hand on the river? It kinda looks like a flopped set to me. What do you guys think?

Your first line of the first post kind of did it for me. No solid reads on villain. You have a good hand preflop, but post flop it quickly fades given the board texture your position and your opponent who is floating your cbets on two streets. By the time he calls my turn bet I'm slamming on the breaks and hoping to get to showdown as cheaply as possible.

I don't think you can ever call this line down at 10NL profitably holding one pair. Villains preflop calling range is all over this board.

Originally Posted by Illfavor

What's his most likely hand on the river? It kinda looks like a flopped set to me. What do you guys think?

Flush is probably the most likely... he called on the flop to hit his flush and slow-played it for one street.

I hope you typed "soulread" in chat after snapping him off there lol