Quote Originally Posted by Lukie
Quote Originally Posted by martindcx1e
Quote Originally Posted by taipan168
2. Good players suffer more bad beats than bad players.
this is a very important concept that beginners def. need to be aware of.
Overall a very good post.

I don't necessarily agree with what's posted above though. If you're talking about the awful player that will call raises with K3o or go a long way with any piece of the flop.. yeah they will probably put a few bad beats on you since they are almost always getting it in bad.

In tough games I sometimes notice the opposite effect though, albeit not to the same extent. Good players are often playing very close to ideally and are picking up small and moderate sized pots left and right. Then when they actually do run into a monster in a big pot, they might be taking slightly the worst of it (e.g. flush draw with big fold equity in a moderate sized pot that happens to run into a set) in big pots. This happens to me frequently.
The statement is probably true if we said "good players suffer more drawing-nearly-dead suckout miracles hitting against them than bad players." How bad a beat is it if you got you're money all-in as a slight dog, especially if there was some dead money + fold equity when you bet? I understood the post to mean that one person was dominated but sucked out - something like 4 to 1 or worse, when the chips went in the middle. And good players won't get it all in that bad that often, imo. That's why they're good players. Bad players get all their money all-in when dominated all the time, quite possibly the main reason I'm a winning NL10 player.

Edit: BTW, i love the tilt equity in the BIG DRAW + fold equity, especially when you know you're read was spot on. You had the range right, and the opponent was likely to fold, but now you're a dog and in it for stacks -- and you're 2 to 1 "long shot" hits. I love it 'cuz it tilts certain players like crazy, gets them attacking you, calling you "bluffer / fish / donk" in chat. That's perfect for me, when everyone at the table gets the idea I'm a total donkey when I know I had the implied odds right when I committed. I like it even better when the tilty villain counts my outs (usually wrong) and claims "You donkey - you only had X outs - how could you make that play?" The more like Howard Lederer they sound, the better for my image at the table. Since I play nitty, having everyone think I'm a maniac/donk is perfect. Of course, the tilt equity may not be as high at the limits you play, Lukie.