Quote Originally Posted by aokrongly
However, when I'm doing this it is Incredibly Based On "Feel", i.e. experience over hundreds of thousands of hands. And it's unnecessary. I could just bet over half the pot and he'll probably call. The very few times it is wrong to fold here (the exceptions) can't be taught to beginners and have more a negative impact if misplayed than the positive impact of the general rule.

Anyway, I still see your point. But for training purposes I'm sticking to the rule.
I just wanted to say that this thread has helped me a LOT as someone transitioning from limit to NL. The 19 starting hands was a good starting point and counterplay would bag me some big pots if someone else opened the betting and I could hide behind their bets, but I'd still have good sessions marred by bad calls and overaggression/stubbornness with top pair, two pair, trips/sets when I was reraised. Additionally, I'm sure my amateurish betting was costing me value-- overbetting my made hands, underbetting great but vulnerable hands and letting drawers in too cheap and getting beat on the turn/river.

Though some may regard this betting style as overly tight, it's actually opened my game up quite a bit (though I was probably weak-tight before because I didn't have a good plan) and reduced the number of times my stack has gotten decimated with weak hands while I get more comfortable with this game and develop a style that works for me. It's given me the chance to steal some pots in position without paying too much and I find that I'm now getting decent value from my good hands.

So thanks AOK and FTR community!