Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow
Just skimmed the OP but just remember villain won't see further than the flop with most of that range in most cases.
true, and i didnt mention this. but, my reasoning for figuring it in the first place was because of a shorty that got me.

i had JJ on T-high board. i thought he was on overs, so i pushed the flop because a normal bet commits him. and he hit his set on the flop, and crushed me with the insta-call. oh well.

i just wondered where i stood, in that situation, most times. and was frankly quite surprised.