agreed, salsa.

and you are right, those "tighter" guys DO bluff. i made mention of that.

however, dont you think tourneys are different than cash games? as far as bluffing and nits goes?

i feel the blinds in tourneys will, eventually, "force out a nit." either blind him away or force him to push all-in with a marginal situation. however, a cash game will allow those guys to "nut camp" all day long.

sure i think greenie and harrington bluff in tourneys, and, yes, they win with bottom pair (when appropriate). but most of the time you see them bluff is in the later stages of a tourney, not early on. in the later stages, either they are forced to make a bluff, or they know their opponents are forced to fold to their bluff...all because of chip stacks and blind structures. good tourney players use those situations to their advantage...and these guys mentioned are among the best i'm sure.

but, how often would you find harrington bluff in a cash game? if you have seen HSP on the GSN, have you ever seen Greenie bluff? nope, and that is with the tv showing the world his "image."

give me 10k hands with these guys (HU or in a full ring stituation), and i feel you would all agree with me here...I WOULD LOSE MY SHIRT! most of us would.