Folding KK?

Originally Posted by Rabid Dog

Originally Posted by Renton

People are fucking nuts, and the case is even more provable at .10/.25.

I dont deny this, although I dont agree either with the analagy that you never lay down KK pre flop at 20NL. I simply posted that particular hand to show that laying down KK pre flop can be done if thought out. When the BB raised $4.5 I figured him for QQ or JJ maybe AK so I called his raise. But when the button re raised all in and then the BB came over the top of him with a raise all in, I knew one of them had AA and it was best for me to step aside and let them have at it. Never in my wildest dreams did I think both of them would have AA along with me having KK on a 6 max table. But I guess it does happen. Anyhow, any way you look at it, this was a good laydown of KK for me.

I am not bashing your laydown. The results spoke for themselves. What I am saying is that if that hand happens in a vacuum a million times, each with different (but typical) Party 25nl villains, flops, turns, and rivers, and you make the call every time, its probably +EV.

Also check this out.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,370,754 games 0.109 secs 12,575,724 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 39.7850 % 02.04% 37.75% { AcAd }
Hand 2: 39.7850 % 02.04% 37.75% { AhAs }
Hand 3: 20.4300 % 20.29% 00.14% { KdKh }

You would have had 20.4% equity in a pot you'd have contributed 33% to. You don't even lose that much when you make this call. Remember if you spike a K they are practically drawing dead.



Also, Jack, you don't have nearly the sample size to make they assertion that bigstacks at 25nl never go all in preflop w/o AA. Donks can acquire big stacks too. It happens all the time. They probably acquire that stack by sucking out on AA preflop with 66 all in (that happened to me a few days ago (AT 100NL!!)).