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  1. #1

    Default Good laydown?

    I think it was and I'll share my reasoning through the hand.

    Game is NLHE (blinds 1/2)

    I have about $250 in chips
    MP and MP+1 both have about $100
    SB has about $40

    UTG I'm dealt Q Q and limp in expecting to re-raise if one of several aggressive players behind me raises. We get a few limpers and nobody raises so it's multiway. I don't feel comfortable already.

    Flop comes 6 4 3

    Checked to me. I bet $15, overbetting the pot by just a bit. MP calls (I think he's got at least a pair or maybe a str8 draw) and MP+1 raises to $30. She's pretty solid and more of a limit player and I put her on the nut flush draw. SB then raises $9 to go all-in. He's a tight solid player so I have him on 2 pair or a better.

    I fold.

    Here's my reasoning:

    I didn't want to get into a multi-way pot against 2 drawers in case I'm called by both of them (which is a distinct possibility with these 2). LOTS of cards could come that would help them and I figured I could find better situations to get my money in with.

    If I did push and got both of them to lay down then I'm up against the only hand which is beating me at that point. Again, not a situation which I'd prefer to put myself in.

    The only favorable situation was to get heads-up against one of the drawers and since they are both calling stations I was pretty sure that wouldn't happen. Hence my laydown.

    I'll add more to this, including what each person really had and the results of the hand after reading the replies.
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  2. #2
    It's possible the SB limped with pocket 3's. It's quite possible you are beat already and with 2 outs to help your hand this is an easy laydown. Except for me when I am tilting, I would push lose money and get mad. Good laydown.
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  3. #3
    I say it was a good laydown. You might still have the best hand on the table....for now. But after the river you'll probably have the 2nd best, and lose a ton of money getting there.

    Good laydown. Bad decision not to raise preflop, although I've done that before (not raised from EP expecting *somebody* to raise after me). It burns when you don't get raised....


  4. #4
    You have to raise something pre flop. Make the chasers drop out, plus any one who would of stayed in and made 2 pair.
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    good laydown sure but you should have collected the pot with a raise preflop.


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    Agreed that I could have gotten the garbage out with a preflop raise. (In fact later on I DID raise with KK in the same position but didn't get any action.) The only thing is that there were 3 very aggressive players yet to act, including one who would raise and call with almost anything. I'd doubled through him earlier when I raised him all-in from the SB with 55 and he had A3 and called. I could have taken the pot with a raise but I was looking to take one of the aggressive players' stacks, not just win the pot.

    That said...my reads were on target.

    Caller in MP had 2 3 for bottom pair no kicker, a gutshot straight flush draw.

    Problem for him was that MP+1 had A Q for the nut flush draw, just as I suspected.

    And SB had 6 6 for top set.

    turn was the 5

    river was a blank and MP took the pot with the str8.
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    himself fucker.
    I like the fold. It's an unraised pot, the sorta flop that limping hands can hit nicely and you have a hand that won't improve easily.

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  8. #8
    Good fold. With that many playing and a weird, dangerous board, you have to let it go. I don't recommend trying to check-raise pocket pairs for this reason... even tables I'd characterize as aggressive might only have a pre-flop raise 50% of the time, which means if you try to check-raise on an orbit where no one raises, you're boned.
  9. #9
    Well, if you figure the small blind already has you beaten, then you're drawing dead to a set or possibly a board pair. I think given the action, it's clear that you don't have the best hand and it's a pretty easy fold.

    By the way, you live in Ashburn, VA? I live in Fairfax right now, but I'm originally from Hamilton, which is about 20 minutes from Ashburn.
  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by dsaxton
    Well, if you figure the small blind already has you beaten, then you're drawing dead to a set or possibly a board pair.
    That's not really drawing dead - at the very least he has two queens as outs, if he suspects a pair or low set is what's ahead of him now.

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