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    Default hmm, tips for PS 100K?

    well i ended up winning a 2$ satelite to the pokerstars sunday 100k tourney

    only thing is, i think im gonna be completely out of the skill level, ive gone from playing 2$nl, to playing in a 100k tournament, which makes me smile just thinking about it, but i dont wanna get run over by the competition, is there anything i can do to prepare myself? or any books, articles, videos, ANYTHING at all that will help give me an advantage, how ever small it may be, i just really dont wanna donk away a chance to win some REAL money...any tips/suggestions are more then welcome

    thanks in advance
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    I play the Sunday Million with FPPs every now and then. It's a pretty big crapshoot.
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    Well I would say hit up the MTT forum and read everything there. But yeah another option is to unregister from the tourney (Requests > Registered in Tournies > Unreg) and you should get $11T. From there you can get an FTRer to buy it from you for usually $11 and that'll be added to your BR as good ole' regular money.

    Up to you whether you want to take a shot at the bigger money.

    Also as a side note. There are 210 fpp SNGs under SNG > Satellites that the prize is this entry. Alot of peeps grind the 210s with their fpps as it's generally better than the bonus.
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    well im definately entering the tournament, it only cost me 2$ i might as well take my chances

    but should i look at it like i look at any MTT, or should i play more aggressive or passive, im assuming the competition will be much better then at the .10-2$ MTT's am i correct in assuming this, although it is only a 11$ entry a lot of donks can afford that, i donno maybe im just stressing my self out, and i should just be happy i won the satelite and am givin the chance to turn my 2$ into 200$ or 2000$ , thanks for the input guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by smitts187
    well i ended up winning a 2$ satelite to the pokerstars sunday 100k tourney

    , is there anything i can do to prepare myself? or any books, articles, videos, ANYTHING at all that will help give me an advantage, how ever small it may be,
    nice work!
    1) if you don't know what m is, then find out.
    2) Read the stickies in the MTT and SNG forums.
    3) Play strong hands fast
    4) get dealt aces loads

    hope you make it big!!! best of luck to ya...
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    thx daven, i hope i get dealt aces as much i did tonight, i saw them atleast 4-5 times, at one point i was dealt in sequence QQ, AA, KK all in a row, it was awesome

    but thats my plans for otmorrow is to read all the stickies and posts in the MTT area

    i know that M has to do with stacksize to blinds+ante, but thats about all i know, if any1 could elaborate on this would be great
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    smitts187, congrats on your satellite to the 100k. however, do NOT be intimidated, this tournament is one of the biggest crapshoots you will ever play in. the players are horrid and you will find little to no difference from this compared to any $2 tournament. the only thing is the field is always HUGE and the variance will be big, but i think playing in it will be nice for experience and for a shot at some monies. gl to ya!
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    So assuming you know BR management, you played a $2 toruney meaning you have $200BR. But playing $2NL means you have a <$50 BR, So either you played out of your BR after all the discussions everyone has had with your threads or you need to move up in stakes. I am going to assume the former and tell you that with only a $50 BR, don't play $2 tourneys and take the $11 T$. Trade with someone and put it towards your BR. 5.5 buyins at your level is much more important than trying to play out of your league and maybe winning a couple bucks if your lucky, to just move up and lose it with out the skills anyway.

    How hard do you think you are going to have to work to make 5.5 buyins? Have you ever made that many?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyms
    So assuming you know BR management, you played a $2 toruney meaning you have $200BR. But playing $2NL means you have a <$50 BR, So either you played out of your BR after all the discussions everyone has had with your threads or you need to move up in stakes. I am going to assume the former and tell you that with only a $50 BR, don't play $2 tourneys and take the $11 T$. Trade with someone and put it towards your BR. 5.5 buyins at your level is much more important than trying to play out of your league and maybe winning a couple bucks if your lucky, to just move up and lose it with out the skills anyway.

    How hard do you think you are going to have to work to make 5.5 buyins? Have you ever made that many?
    This.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyms
    So assuming you know BR management, you played a $2 toruney meaning you have $200BR. But playing $2NL means you have a <$50 BR, So either you played out of your BR after all the discussions everyone has had with your threads or you need to move up in stakes. I am going to assume the former and tell you that with only a $50 BR, don't play $2 tourneys and take the $11 T$. Trade with someone and put it towards your BR. 5.5 buyins at your level is much more important than trying to play out of your league and maybe winning a couple bucks if your lucky, to just move up and lose it with out the skills anyway.

    How hard do you think you are going to have to work to make 5.5 buyins? Have you ever made that many?
    He chopped a $.25 tourney for $120ish I think, so he has a decent roll. I think he said he didn't want to move up to 5nl as most of his money came from the tourney win and he doesn't have much cash game experience yet (so moving acting like this would be 5.5 buyins at 5nl wouldn't be good because he doesn't need more money in his roll he needs more cash game experience). I really don't think one would need 100xBuyins for a $2.20 4 table satellite tourney (the players in these are horrible donks hoping to turn $2.20 into $25k or whatever 1st place is in the 100k). I say go for it smitts, you did earn it after all. From my brief experiences in $4.40/180mans (I assume this tourney plays somewhat like these) I would say play supper tight in the beginning and don't slow play ever in the beginning. I really don't think you will be outclassed or anything, just play like you played the $.25 tourney, by that I mean chop and come in second .
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    thx animal, thats kinda my look on it right now, i mean ive made this all from 1$, so why not give it a shot u know, on monday i will be depositing 50$ into another site, to start there as well, but as bad as i do in cash games, i usually do really well in MTT's, im either out in the middle, or i make it pretty deep, so im definately gonna try for this tourney, if i lose, meh its a BI for 2nl, not too significant in my view, anyway thx again for all the comments, but either way, im entering the tourney, that was what this thread was about, tips to PLAY it, not unreg and get the 11$, i could have come up with that decision myself, so now i am patiently awaiting sunday, and hoping for the best
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    I played in this once (when I was on a heater and thought I was king of the world after and my BR could support an entry into it... kinda) and I remember how awful the players are... the play only really starts getting better once you're ITM

    the tourney lasts for like 10 hours... or well... a really friggin long time, anyways even if you're better than therest of the competition you'll prolly not get much out of it except maybe an ITM

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    Quote Originally Posted by smitts187
    thx animal, thats kinda my look on it right now, i mean ive made this all from 1$, so why not give it a shot u know, on monday i will be depositing 50$ into another site, to start there as well, but as bad as i do in cash games, i usually do really well in MTT's, im either out in the middle, or i make it pretty deep, so im definately gonna try for this tourney, if i lose, meh its a BI for 2nl, not too significant in my view, anyway thx again for all the comments, but either way, im entering the tourney, that was what this thread was about, tips to PLAY it, not unreg and get the 11$, i could have come up with that decision myself, so now i am patiently awaiting sunday, and hoping for the best
    The bold is where you're seriously wrong here.

    The first bold part is wrong because it's $11, not $2, so that's 5.5 buy-ins.

    The second bold part is wrong because you obviously couldn't come up with the responsible decision yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smitts187
    i know that M has to do with stacksize to blinds+ante, but thats about all i know, if any1 could elaborate on this would be great
    take the chip cost of one orbit (bb+sb+whatever antes you will be paying)
    take your stack size
    me = stack/orbit cost

    as your m changes you must adjust your play.

    This is explained thoroughly elsewhere (most likely in those stickied threads you're going to read) so I won't bother trying to explain how you should adjust your play - others have explained it better than i can already.

    as for the bankroll management debate - be very careful managing your bankroll. Go ahead and play this tourney, sure - but remember that it is costing you $11, not $2. Imagine if your $2 had got you an entry into a $1ooo buy-in tournament - would you still be playing it rather than taking the money?

    anyway, best of luck!!!
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    If you unregister now you have $11. Thats enough for...9 $1.20 tourneys, or 5.5 buyins for 2NL.

    Its not $2, its $11. Thats like saying you went on a heater at 2nl and wound up with $22 so you played a $22 tourney since "it was only $2". We want to keep our profits, not piss them away.

    Anyway, play tight, take chances, p/f at the end.

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    I just realized you're asking what the fuck M is, and that makes playing the tournament even more ridiculous.

    For fuck's sake don't play this tournament.
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    I am done offering advice. Enjoy
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    why are people so uptight here, its my decision whether or not i play it, i wanna give it a shot, if i lose, oh well, better luck next time, but why not try, 2 people in here said its a crapshoot, i dont expect ill make it far, but i might make ITM, thats a gamble im willing to take....but i definately do not see reasoning for people to take offense to this and not offer advice? when all i am doing is playing the game, if i lose, i lose, it happens, but whos to say i will lose, yes i probably will, but thats not written in stone...im actually kind of disapointed in the outcome of this post, i was hoping for a few pointers from people who have played this....and thanks to the people who did that, but then there is others who look down upon me for wanting to take part in the biggest tournament ive been able to play? i dont get it, but all the power to you

    and by saying this i mean no offense to anyone on ftr, i just dont agree with you
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    Your talking about gambling. We here on FTR do not gamble.
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    so because i enjoy a nice gamble you wont give me advice?that seems kind of rediculous
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    As you'll find out (if you haven't by now) when people ask for advice here, we don't tend to answer ONLY the question asked. We also offer advice regarding any other issues we see that might improve your longterm success playing poker.

    Even if you make some money doing this, it's still a poor decision to so much of your BR into a tourney. Just like you can go allin preflop with any two cards. You might win this time; you probably won't. And you DEFINATELY won't win longterm.

    It all depends on your goals. If you are playing for fun and to get a thrill out of gambling, great. Have a blast. The rest of us appreciate you feeding into the "poker economy". If you would like to get good enough to make some money in the long term, BR management is probably the single most important concept you need to apply to your poker mindset at this early stage of your career.

    When you refuse to accept advice that is so critical to your longterm growth and success, people won't see the point in offering any advice regarding other issues that won't affect you nearly so much.

    My advice...listen to the advice that people give you. It's given with the best intentions, even if you don't fully understand it now. Now that's not to say that you need to do X just because someone on a website told you to, but you need to really think about these ideas before you just decide that it's your money and you'll do with it as you wish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkfan79
    As you'll find out (if you haven't by now) when people ask for advice here, we don't tend to answer ONLY the question asked. We also offer advice regarding any other issues we see that might improve your longterm success playing poker.

    Even if you make some money doing this, it's still a poor decision to so much of your BR into a tourney. Just like you can go allin preflop with any two cards. You might win this time; you probably won't. And you DEFINATELY won't win longterm.

    It all depends on your goals. If you are playing for fun and to get a thrill out of gambling, great. Have a blast. The rest of us appreciate you feeding into the "poker economy". If you would like to get good enough to make some money in the long term, BR management is probably the single most important concept you need to apply to your poker mindset at this early stage of your career.

    When you refuse to accept advice that is so critical to your longterm growth and success, people won't see the point in offering any advice regarding other issues that won't affect you nearly so much.

    My advice...listen to the advice that people give you. It's given with the best intentions, even if you don't fully understand it now. Now that's not to say that you need to do X just because someone on a website told you to, but you need to really think about these ideas before you just decide that it's your money and you'll do with it as you wish.
    QFT but some of you guys are being a little harsh too imo. Reeeeelllaaaaaxx he's learning the game.
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    Yea your right. I was just confused with the fact that he has a sig showing he wants to build a BR and has been asking a ton of questions regarding the best way to go about it. Some of us have posted several times in many of his threads and thought we were trying to accomplish something else.

    It's all good, I just don't have enough time in my day to help those that don't want the help. I personally don't condone gambling, at any stakes. BR guidelines are as mentioned before, a huge part of the growing process. GL with your tourney. And good luck learning M, it may help in that tourney, from what I understand it's pretty important.
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    Hawkfan put it perfectly.

    And smitt, don't worry about the people who tell you something in a harsh manner. You will run across those people at times, mainly because being here so long they have had to repeat themselves numerous times. However, just try to take teh advice and disregard any bad tone. Their advice is still generally sound.

    And regarding what you should do. Honestly, it is your call obv. But keep in mind you have already effectively turned the $2 into $11. So if you lose it's 5.5 buyins and not just 1. And alot of good players have said the tourney is a crapshoot and they are playing better poker than you. Therfore, you'll need even more luck on your side to to get an ITM (which by itself won't be that great of an improvement over the $11).
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    even to be able to make it ITM you gotta be extremely lucky and avoid several suckouts and play for at least 7 hours

    Remember that, the time you spend trying to stay in the tourney will be time lost in the cash games or sng's or whatever you normally play.

    Also the fact that it's highly likely you could get sucked out on in the first hour of the tournament... it could be really frustrating for you if you just give away your cash (which is prolly what it will come up to)

    Even the best tounrament player only makes it ITM around 50% of the time of 500 man tournament... and this tournament always has around 25000 players nowadays (am i wrong??) and a final table around 10% of the time or less (which is where the real money is).

    Basically, if you bust out in the bubble and lose 11$ with nothing then you've lost a good 6 hours of play, and even if you play for 8 hours and make it ITM, you'll only get back the buy-in. Obviously there is the best case scenario where you can stay in the tournament for a while and get in fat enough to get paid back for your patience and play, but honestly if yo play in this the second best case scenario (after winning a significant ammount of money) is you get busted early in the tournament, only lose a bit of your time playing in it and realize that trying your luck in these crapshoots isn't really worth it...

    gl though, you'll def need it

    (btw, even if you win it and get 20k or whatever... what will you do with it? your bankroll will be hge enough to play 400NL, but you'll prolly get massacred in these games and move down the stakes at hugely fast pace... obviously you could cash it all out for yourself and spend it, but that doesn't count as "adding to your BR, which is essentially what you want to do)
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    Hey I have a great idea. I'll go join a $5000 tournament with a good chunk of my bankroll. So what if I do? I'll probably just lose the money, but it's not set in stone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyms
    Your talking about gambling. We here on FTR do not gamble.
    speak for yourself!
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    okay,
    if he wins a satalite, (not correct on spelling)
    and he wants to do it, THEN HE SHOULD DO IT
    now what was the initial question...


    well i ended up winning a 2$ satelite to the PokerStars sunday 100k tourney

    only thing is, i think im gonna be completely out of the skill level, ive gone from playing 2$nl, to playing in a 100k tournament, which makes me smile just thinking about it, but i dont wanna get run over by the competition, is there anything i can do to prepare myself? or any books, articles, videos, ANYTHING at all that will help give me an advantage, how ever small it may be, i just really dont wanna donk away a chance to win some REAL money...any tips/suggestions are more then welcome

    thanks in advance
    -smitts-





    NOW ANYWHERE IN THERE, DOES IT SAY, SHOULD I CASH IT OUT?
    NO
    now dont beat up on him for wanting to play a damn tournament he got into!
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    OneToughMuff - He came to the beginner's circle of an internet forum asking for advice on the tournament. We simply told him that with his skill level and the structure of the tourney it will be difficult to cash and even then it's probably less money than he would make if he played 2nl for the 7 or so hours it will take to cash.

    Assuming his roll is $117 as his banner says (it may be higher I think but not too much higher), he is putting over 10.5% of his roll at risk on this tournament ($11 of $117). BR Management states that he needs somewhere around a $1k roll if he was to be buying into this event and playing it regularly ($11 * 100).

    You will not find a regular on this forum that disregards BR management so much as to advice a player to put up 10% of his roll on a crapshoot of a tournament. And you shouldn't expect to!! Regulars aren't looking for a quick score. They prepare for the long run and the grind. He could run major hot and win the tourney, that's good and I'd be happy. However, it would still be a bad move as he put up too much of his roll to get that chance.
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    but he isnt putting much of his roll at all,
    he bought in for 2 bucks,
    well won that satalitte,
    but still
    basically buying in for 2 bucks
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    No. He's buying in for $11. He won the satellite. He can now unregister to the tourney and get $11 put in his account. It is no longer $2. He has effectively turned it into $11 and it should be treated as such.

    If I won a satellite into the WSOP ME from playing a $10 satellite, I, at least, wouldn't consider it $10 anymore as the seat has a value much higher than that ($10k?). So I would be putting $10 at risk by not cashing rather than $10 because that $10k is now my money if I were to just sell it to someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughMuff
    but he isnt putting much of his roll at all,
    he bought in for 2 bucks,
    well won that satalitte,
    but still
    basically buying in for 2 bucks
    You're completely wrong here, but you probably don't really care, which makes you just as bad as OP.
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    ok, well that i can understand,
    this is a 9$ dif
    its less than an hours work*
    (*varies on wage)
    lol
    but my point is, he didnt come here to ask if he should cash out or not,
    he asked for tips on playing the tourny
    because he wants to play the tourny
    dont bash him if he does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughMuff
    ok, well that i can understand,
    this is a 9$ dif
    its less than an hours work*
    (*varies on wage)
    lol
    but my point is, he didnt come here to ask if he should cash out or not,
    he asked for tips on playing the tourny
    because he wants to play the tourny
    dont bash him if he does.
    At 2nl, his current level, that's a huge difference, which is the point that you and him seem not to get.

    He can't just ask for advice in the tournament and magically become +EV in it. If he wants tournament advice, he should go read some damn tournament books.

    The long and the short of this is that the fact that he was posting here for advice in the tourney is sufficient evidence that he should not be playing in it with his bankroll.

    And fuck whoever doesn't agree with this because we are right and we don't care how you choose to piss away your bankroll.
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    i understand where you are coming from, saying it is no longer 2$, but at the same time, im a grown man, if i decide i want to try to play a tourney so be it, its 11$ as you say it...now think of it logically, a minimum wage job pays 8.75 an hour, so IF i was working for min wage, its less then 1 1/2 hours, i agree its a gamble yes, but fuck, if i win i win, if i lose, better luck next time, i have to thank muff for posting what he did because in a nutshell its exactly how i feel right now, i never ONCE said should i cash out, or would it be smart to cash out, i entered the satelite in the hopes of getting entry into the 100k, not hopes of winning 11$, if that was the case why would i enter a satelite, i might as well enter a sng, an anology i heard recently...if you had a chance to enter an 11$ tourney for 2$ today only, its on sale, would u take it, or let it go, im taking it, yeah it might not be the best decision for BR, but lets face it, im 20 yrs old, with a 100$ BR, not that important as i see it, thats less then 1/5 of a paycheck WEEKLY, as i said, im a grown man, and if i want to try my luck at a big tournament, i shouldnt hear people here belittling me and breaking me down saying i have no shot, it should be logical ADVICE for PLAYING the tourney, seeing as thats what i posted this for in the first place, the fact that the members here arent supportive of me in a big tournament, pushes me away, why would i want to even tell you guys about what happens, we post a hand, you guys break it down and basicly call us idiots, we post a topic, you break us down and label us stupid, one post i remember specifically is luckyslevins, ALL he said was that he enjoyed the book by phil helmuth, you disagreed and were to stubborn to realise that people each have a different look on things, thats like one person saying here i like lord of the rings novels, and another person JUST because hes read more fantasy novels, saying no, your wrong , its a horrible book, my opinion over powers yours and you have no potential of even winning this argument, thats pathetic, im almost tempted to leave this forum, yeah you have helped me bucketloads, but at the same time, what is the use if you have no self confidence at the end of the day? its a joke, literally a joke, and its not even a funny one, its a corny ass knock knock joke, i realise that a lot of you play higher stakes and thats great, but you have no position and no right to say that i am wrong for wanting to play a tournament i EARNED, again i asked for tips to play, nothing else
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    Calling 'rilla. Is that the biggest run on sentence in FTR history?

    We take our BRM seriously around here. Think of it this why, why would we waste time helping someone almost certain to go busto due to ignoring basic tenents of winning poker?
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    Hi Smitts well done on winning your satelite. I've been in a couple of large tournament later stages (only a couple) as you know we are about at the same level I think. My advice would be in the later stages if you develop a half decent chipstack but are still 2 or 3 times behind chip leaders, don't think you have to take chances to increase your stack. The shortstacked chips will be thinking exactly the same thing, only they will be justified. Let them take the risks and pounce when you have very solid hands. Also don't relax when you get in the money. If anything re-evaluate and re-focus, tell yourself that is where the tournament begins. It's no good getting so far and then losing focus for 30 seconds and getting yourself busted! I'm speaking from experience here!

    Also - and sorry to add to the already stated, but as a friend I would also say seriously consider the point in entering this. I know because you've qualified you're seeing it as a natural extension of the work you've put in, in the satelite, but I really think you need to view the two as completely different tournaments (which is what they are). If you had won $11 in a tournament would you instantly go and buy into a 25,000 man $11 tournament?

    I know you like a gamble (so do I, that's something I've had the hardest time curbing to improve at poker)! Just from a gambling perspective you can probabally work out the odds are well and truly stacked against you.

    What you did was fantastic you increased your buy in Five fold that's a great result and I take my hat off to you =).

    how would you feel if you bought into a tournament for 2$ and did the same thing again cashing out at 10/11 $ you'd probabally feel great, well you can do that five times with your winnings - so the odds are nicely in your favour in a SNG. BR preservation is the most important thing I've realised that, and I'm sure you know it too! It can be hard to go against what our heart tells us when we know what we should be doing in our head (especially when other have told us so!) - but I think this is one of the things that will make a difference between a good poker player and an average hobby player that will never regularly increase their BR.

    That's what I'm trying to get to by following advice on the thread and am getting there. I'm far from there at the moment don't get me wrong! The guys that are giving the advice have been where we were once and most have made the same initial mistakes, I think that's why they get quite adament and forceful with their views because they know totally that what they are saying is right and it frustrates them when people they want to do well don't follow their advice =)

    Good luck whatever you decide to do Smitts! =D
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    Quote Originally Posted by smitts187
    i understand where you are coming from, saying it is no longer 2$, but at the same time, im a grown man, if i decide i want to try to play a tourney so be it, its 11$ as you say it...now think of it logically, a minimum wage job pays 8.75 an hour, so IF i was working for min wage, its less then 1 1/2 hours, i agree its a gamble yes, but fuck, if i win i win, if i lose, better luck next time, i have to thank muff for posting what he did because in a nutshell its exactly how i feel right now, i never ONCE said should i cash out, or would it be smart to cash out, i entered the satelite in the hopes of getting entry into the 100k, not hopes of winning 11$, if that was the case why would i enter a satelite, i might as well enter a sng, an anology i heard recently...if you had a chance to enter an 11$ tourney for 2$ today only, its on sale, would u take it, or let it go, im taking it, yeah it might not be the best decision for BR, but lets face it, im 20 yrs old, with a 100$ BR, not that important as i see it, thats less then 1/5 of a paycheck WEEKLY, as i said, im a grown man, and if i want to try my luck at a big tournament, i shouldnt hear people here belittling me and breaking me down saying i have no shot, it should be logical ADVICE for PLAYING the tourney, seeing as thats what i posted this for in the first place, the fact that the members here arent supportive of me in a big tournament, pushes me away, why would i want to even tell you guys about what happens, we post a hand, you guys break it down and basicly call us idiots, we post a topic, you break us down and label us stupid, one post i remember specifically is luckyslevins, ALL he said was that he enjoyed the book by phil helmuth, you disagreed and were to stubborn to realise that people each have a different look on things, thats like one person saying here i like lord of the rings novels, and another person JUST because hes read more fantasy novels, saying no, your wrong , its a horrible book, my opinion over powers yours and you have no potential of even winning this argument, thats pathetic, im almost tempted to leave this forum, yeah you have helped me bucketloads, but at the same time, what is the use if you have no self confidence at the end of the day? its a joke, literally a joke, and its not even a funny one, its a corny ass knock knock joke, i realise that a lot of you play higher stakes and thats great, but you have no position and no right to say that i am wrong for wanting to play a tournament i EARNED, again i asked for tips to play, nothing else
    Yeah here's a fucking tip for you:

    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow
    And fuck whoever doesn't agree with this because we are right and we don't care how you choose to piss away your bankroll.
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    yes i agree it probably is the longest run on sentence in FTR history

    YOU take your BRM very seriously, yes, *claps*, if you feel you do not want to help me or give me advice for wanting to play at a higher stake, good for you, congrats, move up in your stakes and all the best to you, but its not you, its no one related to you, and its some1 you've actually never met I WILL DO WHAT I WISH WITH MY MONEY. simple.

    i asked for your advice assuming (apparently incorrectly) that this was a helpful forum in w/e u needed for poker

    i see now, that thats the furthest thing from the truth possible...while giving advice, you also sit on your high throne and act like the kings of the world

    i have a question

    some of the most popular videos on the site, bigspenda73's microstake 5nl

    i watched this, he was playing 4 tables of 5nl, and when he rebought he had under 80$ in his BR, now if BRM is so important then why is he playing 5nl with an underfunded BR, and yet not one person said anything about this?

    no offense to spenda because i loved his videos and learnt much from them,

    but i just dont get it, why is it ok for some and not others, now i could be wrong and he could have a huge BR somewhere else in which case i would be wrong,

    but either way

    if you feel you dont want to help me anymore due to me wanting to play a tournament, then good luck in your career, and hope you win big, for those of you that are mature enough to look past the fact that im playing a big tourney, thanks and also good luck , but i am definately not going to change my decision based on a bunch of people i have never met that think they are poker gods, all the best to all of you, but i definately will not be posting as much anymore, its not worth being torn down and treated like shit

    thanks to all the GOOD advice i recieved
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    Yeah here's a fucking tip for you:

    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow
    And fuck whoever doesn't agree with this because we are right and we don't care how you choose to piss away your bankroll.
    [/quote]

    the only thing i have to say to you is:

    Your an asshole, simple as that, you act as if your jesus of a pokertable

    EVEN if you are good, you are arrogant, you put yourself up on a throne and think your better then every1, when your probably a fucking loser IRL, you were probably a fucking loser growing up in school, you were probably a fucking loser when you finished (IF you finished), and you'll probably be a fucking loser when you die so fuck you

    fuck this site, i dont need this shit, peace the fuck out

    spoon, again fuck you
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    Quote Originally Posted by smitts187

    i have a question

    some of the most popular videos on the site, bigspenda73's microstake 5nl

    i watched this, he was playing 4 tables of 5nl, and when he rebought he had under 80$ in his BR, now if BRM is so important then why is he playing 5nl with an underfunded BR, and yet not one person said anything about this?

    no offense to spenda because i loved his videos and learnt much from them,

    but i just dont get it, why is it ok for some and not others, now i could be wrong and he could have a huge BR somewhere else in which case i would be wrong,
    This is wrong on so many levels.
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    Spendas roll was a lot higher than $80 when he made that vid, that was just the portion of the roll that was on the site (presumably stars). I played 4 $11s the other day on stars with $75 on the site, but I also had $1600 on another site. Thats BRM.


    You've had lots of advice in this thread, but instead you've focused on the perfectly logical advice to follow good BRM approaches.

    In case you missed it:
    Advice? Theres an entire MTT forum with a sticky post chock full of tactics and advice for playing MTTs. Read that.
    Just dipping my toes back in.
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    you do realize your attitude will never get you anywhere in poker smitts? seems like ur on life tilt atm -.-
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    I started typing a reply, but decided that the most +EV thing I could do for all parties involved (especially those not actively involved) would be to start a new thread about my reply to this situation.

    http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...er-t73938.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by xptboy
    you do realize your attitude will never get you anywhere in poker smitts? seems like ur on life tilt atm -.-
    no im just not gonna put up with being torn down by people who think they are above every1 else, you are all human, you all bleed the same way..as for the post before that, with me being wrong about the 80$ BR, i stated that very clearly i could be wrong, if you missed it, go read it, if you read it, and your just too stubborn to acknowledge it, then i couldnt care less, im done with this forum, this is officially my last post, thanks for the support from those who gave it, and to those who didnt, good luck in the long road of life, but treating people the way you do, will only get you so far, i was more then respectful, i never had a problem with any of you, intil you continued to treat new players badly, i am honestly sorry for what ever it is that happened to you in your life that has made you all the coldhearted people you really are, i hope to all the new members of this site, that you follow every little detail these people tell you to do, because we are robots, we have no choice, we have no decisions to make, were stupid and any time you decide something for yourself, your wrong.

    i am no robot, i am perfectly able to make my own decisions


    and to be honest


    i couldnt give 2 shits if you think my decision is wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by smitts187
    i couldnt give 2 shits if my decision is wrong
    QFT.
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    we don't think it's wrong, we know it's wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by smitts187
    because we are robots, we have no choice, we have no decisions to make
    We make decisions. We just don't intentionally make -ev ones. You are making one by playing in the tourney. And an even bigger one by leaving the forum over a little e-fight. It's your choice to play in the tourney. Go for it if you wish. But just know that you ARE putting up $11, and you have incredible odds stacked against you on even cashing. Good luck though.

    And as far as us offering advice that you didn't ask for, that's what we do. We hope to make you a better player and if you come here asking for advice on how to play a tourney that most of us don't think you are skilled enough (or rolled for) to be playing in it, you will hear us state that. If you don't like it fine, /thread. There is nothing wrong with you stating that you disagree, however, don't expect for a newbie poker player that hasn't proven he is a winner over a significant sample to change winning players minds on a subject regarding poker, specifically BR management.
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    what does qft mean?
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    qft = quoted for truth. There is a thread in this forum that lists alot of acronyms used online. It's in the stickies "What the hell does x mean?".
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    smitts, your attitude will get you nowhere. You will be broke soon. Have a nice day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smitts187
    like the kings of the world

    i have a question

    some of the most popular videos on the site, bigspenda73's microstake 5nl

    i watched this, he was playing 4 tables of 5nl, and when he rebought he had under 80$ in his BR, now if BRM is so important then why is he playing 5nl with an underfunded BR, and yet not one person said anything about this?

    no offense to spenda because i loved his videos and learnt much from them,

    but i just dont get it, why is it ok for some and not others, now i could be wrong and he could have a huge BR somewhere else in which case i would be wrong,

    thanks to all the GOOD advice i recieved
    hi smitts - his roll on the site is not the same as his overall poker bankroll. It's like me a few weeks ago playing 100nl on FullTilt with only $1500 on the site - but $xxxx on Neteller, $xxx on Everest, etc...

    Also, I think all the advice you have received has been good - the tips on how to play the tournament will assist whenever you sit down to play a SnG or MTT. The tips associated with bankroll management have got a little heated - sounds like you have a sound understanding of what people are saying though, this will help when you end up playing stakes where the money starts to become material to you.

    Anyway, do what you will. Staying here and posting/learning is +++EV. Maybe shut this thread down, people here are (mostly!) pretty thick-skinned and expect others to be so too. I'm used to being told when I play badly, I take no offence and instead try to learn from it.

    Best of luck
    Davenout.

    ps I"M KING OF THE WORLD - I love screaming that sorta shit when I'm sitting out the back in deep water with big swells, terrified and excited about hitting a big wave and feeling so alive!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chardrian
    I rarely, if ever, get pms.
    When I saw that you had posted in this thread, I already knew what you'd posted.
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    this is all dumb

    if your br is $50 and your getting the chance to increase that by 20% then you should.
    Shit, if i won a seat to the $10k HU wcoop mtt id take the cash becasue id have no chance winning.

    Your so dumb if you dont make the correct choice, which is being mad pretty clear to you by those people on here who have won tens of thousands of dollahs between them, not the n00bs who havent won 1k between them and think you get rich of a donkament.

    every wondered why its called a donkament?
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    Well that was kind of mean imo.
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    not to come down on the side of the new guy here, but it sounded like he was willing to invest more money in poker than what was currently online. he claims to be making more than 500 a week working, is probably still living at home so has little to no bills. If he has the money to throw away, let him. It'll be fun.

    As long as the $100 he currently has online isn't all that he has for poker, he is not necessarily practicing poor bankroll management (though he almost certainly is as I doubt he has a grand laying around to throw into poker).


    I can understand being a little annoyed at someone who has been getting advice on trying to build a bankroll to then go out and do something like this, but I don't see the need for any personal attacks, or anything like that. Give him the advice that this is not a good idea, and leave it at that. Just don't give him anymore bankroll building advice in other threads, no need to resort to hostilities.
    I should probably have put everything in the past tense as he has since busted from the tournament..... oh well.
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    see, i personally am quite proud of myself..no i didnt make the money, but i outlasted nearly 20,000 other players, in my eyes, i did well...i dont care if you guys think i was wrong for playing this, its 11$, which i could have wasted in many other ways, i could spend double that taking my gf to the movies, and not enjoy myself half as much as i did in this...11$ for nearly 2 hours of entertainment, is more then worth it in my opinion, money is money, you can ALWAYS acquire more money, there is infinite ways to build your personal wealth, i am not phased in the slightest losing that 11$, thats a 6pack, which would last me roughly the same amount of time as i played...again, i honestly do not care what your oppinion is of me playing in this tournament, i had fun, and in the end, thats what it comes down to, it could have been much worse, within 5 minutes, there were like some 300 ppl out, i could have been one of them, but i wasnt, i played my game, and i outlasted 4/5 of the competition, doing VERY well in my eyes, so take it how u want, but thats what it is
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    A number of us make a lot of money off of guys who don't mind donking off money for fun so we don't mind.
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    I would rather finish a tournament in the first three minutes than on the bubble tho... rlly suxx finishin right outside the money

    gj if ur happy wit how u played tho
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    i agree it does suck going right outside the bubble, but i proved to myself that i CAN make it, i was card dead for most of the tourney,and i still managed to make it as far as i did, i beleive it was well worth the time and money spent, and who knows, i might even play another satelite and try again next week
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    Quote Originally Posted by smitts187
    i agree it does suck going right outside the bubble, but i proved to myself that i CAN make it, i was card dead for most of the tourney,and i still managed to make it as far as i did, i beleive it was well worth the time and money spent, and who knows, i might even play another satelite and try again next week
    I think the biggest congrats has to go out for the fact that you posted here again. Realizing that there is a lot of knowledge here and not giving it up for a diff of opinion is very +EV.

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    you should play another sat, take the money, then play the same sat, take the money again, then play another sat, take the money again (I think it's allowed)

    those satellite's are soft and good money for increasing your roll and if you want to reward yourself for all the sat's you won then you could use one of the free entries (although I wouldn't). If you wanna play in tournaments I'd recommend smaller one's which you could actually get a decent ROI with such as the 180 man SnG's (I actually played these and they are very profitable imp), otherwise the 2.2$ 2x tournaments going on atm are also fairly good (just played one now, finished ITM, roughly 1000 players per tourney).

    here's a good site for sng's and tourney's imo http://www.sitandgoplanet.com/.
    also read the faq in FTR MTT section, it helps obv
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
    I finished 3601 :P
    That's what you call finishing close to the money out of interest what did the minimum payout pay?

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