Quote Originally Posted by satan1974
1) If they are all relying on blind luck, this dramatically reduces the worth of any skill you have. Forget bluffing, pot odds, table image, position etc, they all become worthless against opponents that have no idea what these are.
This is just a silly thing to say. Fair enough bluffing is worthless against opponents who wont fold and table image doesnt matter if noone is paying attention but pot odds and position are never worthless. If you are in first position with 22 in a game where 80% of the time people are raising behind you you fold every time. If you are last to act then you fold all those times it is raised and you call the times it isnt. This is obviously a huge advantage as that 20% of the time you have a cheap chance of making a set and taking someones stack.
In a game where all players are relying on luck you still rely on pot odds to make profitable plays.

Situation 1: Hero is in the BB with A 5
All call around to hero who checks
Flop: 6 7 Q
All check to button who goes allin. SB folds.

Should you call?

Situation 2: Hero is in the BB with A 5
All call around to hero who checks
Flop: 6 7 Q
UTG is allin, all 7 other players call allin around to Hero
Should you call?

In situation 1 you have a crazy player who moves allin giving you pretty much 1:1 odds and you should fold your flush draw. In situation 2 you are getting 8:1 pot odds on a nut flush draw and you would be crazy to not call. Granted this is a pretty unlikely situation but it still shows that pot odds are always important no matter how bad the opponents are who you are playing against.

Notice also how in situation 2 you would have had to fold if you were first to act. This is another positional advantage.

Edit: Pot odds become MORE valuble against opponents who dont understand what they are. If the stacks are deeps and noone goes allin, good players with a Q will tend to bet at least half the pot because they understand that they need to give you bad drawing odds to make a profit. Bad players may minbet or minraise because they dont understand that there is a dangerous draw that is making a profit on every single one of their underbets. IN this situation your A 5 is very likely to be behind since all you hold is A high, but because you understand the concept of pot odds you are able to profitably call small bets whilst profitably folding to large overbets bets.