so are they...but sometimes you will get the goods.

btw, you can buddy up with him, too. start saying nice things. chat about bullshit. and 10 minutes later...ask "what did you have back there, btw?"

sometimes that one works, too.

and youre right, why give away the goodies if you dont have to showdown. but some will, all you have to do is ask. all they can do is sit tight. and that cant hurt. nothing to lose there.