How do you tell the difference??

eg you hold AA/KK, raise, get 1 caller, flop comes down Q high.

You bet and get raised, how would you determine the difference between your opponent holding AQ which you obv. have beat or 3 of a Kind which you don't.
In my limited experience I've struggled to fold here and came up against Trips for all my money a couple of times.
Also I thought opps maybe likely to raise a continuation bet hoping to get me to fold. Do I reraise on the flop then fold if get put all in or what?

I understand its going to be different each time, the flop will be of different textures etc and players will play differently also but any advice would be appreciated anyway.
Cheers.

lol I was about to make a really similar thread.

It seems that when that situation occurs and someone posts it on FTR the general response is "LOL INSTASHOVE".. but what do these people stack off with?!

i think this is very dependent on the level of play of your opponents. at 50nl and below i saw a ridiculous amount of players stacking off with much worse than TPTK. Obviously insta shoving any flop where you have an overpair is not perfect advice, but there are very few situations where i would fold an overpair at low stakes. Also, this is an area of poker where your knowledge of your opponent is critical. If your opponent plays like an idiot, obviously you should not give his raises respect. If you know he usually plays 'logically', than you should be more cautious. There is no perfect answer but without a pretty solid read that an opponent plays decent i am usually fairly happy with felting an overpair on uncoordinated flops.

Overpair play is truly one of the most important aspects of your game. The spots you get in can be very tricky. Some things to keep in mind:

1) The majority of low stakes players do not raise draws.
2) What is your image?
3) Have you seen villain showdown a hand after raising a cbet?

In general at low stakes a raise = better than 1 pair. If you always stack off with an overpair then you don't really make any money in the longrun when you stack other people's overpairs.

I am back after 6 months break. I had total burnout for poker.
Played 3 years 25PL-50PL (6-table) and winning decent 1000-2000 $
month. I just couldn't do it anymore.

I enjoyed summer and and started over yesterday. Deposited
20 $ party and now I have 100 $

But back to your question. In low limit games raise would be
usually be TPTK so my advice is to push.

This is of course read dependant.

T.

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

In general, playing for stacks = better than 1 pair.

fyp

If you don't have reads then look at the ratio of pot size on the flop to effective stack size and decide at that point if you are prepared to get all in or not. Then bet, check or fold accordingly. The lower the ratio the more inclined you should be to go to the felt. If you know your villain is tight the number goes down, if he's loose it goes up. Basically this stops you folding too much in big pots, big pots being defined not by the amount of money in but the size of the pot compared to the stacks. It also stops you getting sucked into playing a pot that's bigger than your hand justifies. For a really rough number if there's 4 times the pot or less in the effective stack you can felt a tight player and if there's 8 times or less you can felt a loose player. This is at microstakes.

instead of looking at your hud or 9 tables, pay ateention and have notes.
otherwise have 4 tables and pay attention, think about your opponents range from a position and their tendancy to be a donk.

I just have a label on some people that says dead money, that means im stacking off in any position with any felt-able hand.

As posted by the other users, I think the things you need to consider are:
a) Know your opponent
b) Position
c) Have you defined your hand?
d) Flop texture
e) Strength in the face of high scare cards

a) Know your opponent: Level of skill, how they play with premium holdings, whether they stack off with Top Pair on the flop, or whether its 2 pairs+. Do they tend to slowplay their monster holdings like made straights, flushes or sets.

b) Position: being last to act and seeing which players limp or raise preflop is an advantage. limp callers probably have low to middle pairs, and raisers probably have big cards. If you have position against someone who slowplays a set, bet reasonable on the flop and turn, then check the river.

c) Defining your hand: Defining your hand could be dangerous for you here when the opponent has a set. Since you raised preflop, they would put you on a premium holding: big pair like AA, KK or big cards like AK. On the flop, if you alert them by defining your hand as unimproved AA - you run a higher chance of losing your stack to implied odds. Since by way of your action (a re-raise preflop and a re-raise on the flop), they know you have AA, and they know they have you beat. This makes the overpair laydown very difficult. However, if they believe you have AK and missed, they know they will not be paid.

d) Flop texture: This can give you clues, especially if the flop contains no draws. However on a drawing flop, the opponent could pretend to be pushing a semi-bluff flush draw into you - in the hope of disgusting the Set. Again you need to know your opponent.

e) When a high scare card lands on the Turn, that could have helped the preflop raiser: For example a Queen high flop followed by a King on the turn with no completed draws, and they still come out firing strongly. This could indicate a set or 2 pairs not afraid of a lone king.

If all else fails, just put it ALL IN on the flop. You might second guess yourself otherwise and make a bad laydown. Especially if the flop comes low, making alot of overpairs possible. The odds are well in your favour with you being ahead 87% of the time. Like in Super Systems by Doyle Brunson, if you get them cracked - you get them cracked.

its pretty simple, versus unknowns you take a hand better than tp to the turn and then make a tough call. Anything youve notice helps here.

Aginst a reg, you need to know if they will try and raise you here with tp to put you under pressure, if they do then you can combat this.

If its the table fish then get it all in fast, he likes his hand and versus his range we like ours.

I think the flop texture is the key -- if the cards are low, you do get smaller overpairs stacking off enough that its ev+ to stack here. but with like a Q out or 10 K out, you have to think much more deeply about your opponent and consider folding sometimes.

then, stacksize -- half or lower its an auto stack. Full stacks we have to think about.