How profitable is it to play against mice?

My definition of a mouse is a player who is passive and who likes to minibet and miniraise. A mouse may or may not be a loose caller but he/she should be quite readable.

Yesterday I sat at a NL25 table and saw some player min. bet all 3 streets with a set.

Another hand, a player in BB flopped quads with 33 on a board of 33AQJ, the action went checked through on flop, check-called a min bet from UTG who had AK and was a mouse himself, and then checked through again on the river again.

Because of their predictability mice are easily for us to avoid losing huge pots to, unlike a LAG and the associated variances that we might have deal with.

The question is, where do we rank the mice between the stations and the wild donks?

Originally Posted by bbqsquirrel

My definition of a mouse is a player who is passive and who likes to minibet and miniraise. A mouse may or may not be a loose caller but he/she should be quite readable.

Yesterday I sat at a NL25 table and saw some player min. bet all 3 streets with a set.

Another hand, a player in BB flopped quads with 33 on a board of 33AQJ, the action went checked through on flop, check-called a min bet from UTG who had AK and was a mouse himself, and then checked through again on the river again.

Because of their predictability mice are easily for us to avoid losing huge pots to, unlike a LAG and the associated variances that we might have deal with.

The question is, where do we rank the mice between the stations and the wild donks?

Personally i rank rocks/mice higher than stations and bad LAG's as they will slowly win small pots when they have a good hand and lose their blinds/calls when they miss. They won't win a lot but they won't lose a lot. Just note down what they like to min bet with and call when they give you 100000:1 pot odds, try spike a 1 outer and stack them.

they are all very profitable types, anyone who does something consistent + extreme like that is.

People who don't know how to balance bet sizes and get value out of their hands are ATM machines.

Quite often I'll call min-bets with any 2 just to encourage this behavior.

Seat 1: 7Sawyer19 ($207.65 in chips)
Seat 2: pnoles ($322.20 in chips)
Seat 3: Gibeoj ($99.45 in chips)
Seat 4: Fnord ($267.95 in chips)
Seat 5: milowrider1 ($57 in chips)
st8tflush69 will be allowed to play after the button
7Sawyer19: posts small blind $1
pnoles: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Fnord [Jd 9s]
Gibeoj: calls $2
Fnord: calls $2
milowrider1: calls $2
7Sawyer19: calls $1
pnoles: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kc 7s 6h]
7Sawyer19: checks
pnoles: checks
Gibeoj: checks
Fnord: checks
milowrider1: checks
*** TURN *** [Kc 7s 6h] [Ah]
7Sawyer19: checks
pnoles: checks
Gibeoj: checks
Fnord: checks
milowrider1: bets $2
7Sawyer19: folds
pnoles: folds
Gibeoj: folds
Fnord: calls $2
*** RIVER *** [Kc 7s 6h Ah] [3d]
Fnord: checks
milowrider1: bets $2
Fnord said, "I GOT JACK"
Fnord: calls $2
*** SHOW DOWN ***
milowrider1: shows [Ac 2s] (a pair of Aces)
Fnord: mucks hand

I stacked this guy an orbit or two later.

Fnord said, "I GOT JACK"

Originally Posted by Fnord

Fnord said, "I GOT JACK"
Fnord: calls $2
*** SHOW DOWN ***
milowrider1: shows [Ac 2s] (a pair of Aces)
Fnord: mucks hand

I stacked this guy an orbit or two later.

That post made me fall about laughing. I'm not entirely sure why.

I see some donkey who bluff on the river betting about 1/20 of pot when they miss their flush. I think it is not a bad idea to call them down with something like queen high.

I GOT JACK. Man, that is hillarious, I bet some of your opponents just wrote in their notes: Calling station don't bluff this guy. Cheap way to establish yourself as a calling station.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quite often I'll call min-bets with any 2 just to encourage this behavior.

Yea I do this too. I hope they pay enough attention for it to pay off.

How do you stack someone who only bets the minimum?

Originally Posted by Sour_Grapes

How do you stack someone who only bets the minimum?

raise

I will sometimes mistake these passive tendencies for weakness and hang myself with large bluffs. I'm working on fixing this.