j10suited, hit top pair :-/....

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($2.97)
CO ($0.42)
Button ($5.39)
SB ($0.94)
BB ($1.18)
Hero (UTG) ($2.47)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, 10
Hero calls $0.02, MP bets $0.04, 3 folds, BB calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02

Flop: ($0.13) J, 8, 9 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.10, MP raises to $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.53) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.34, Hero folds

Total pot: $0.53 | Rake: $0

villain is 33/2/33(afq)....should i have folded to the flop 3bet? or should i lead out on the turn maybe?

That is a tight fold.
I would probably have check-raised the flop.

Uhh. Hero's calling .34 to win .87 with 13 outs.

Seems like a call to me, especially considering Hero has a tiny amount of value in a showdown.

Blocking bet if you miss, Valuebet if you hit (Consider a value checkraise if you think that villain will go for 3 streets of value.)

Weird spot because you limp/called UTG. So I would never be in this situation so I don't feel my comments would help. Just don't open limp and this hand isn't that hard to play. Raise or fold.

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

Uhh. Hero's calling .34 to win .87 with 13 outs.

Seems like a call to me, especially considering Hero has a tiny amount of value in a showdown.

Blocking bet if you miss, Valuebet if you hit (Consider a value checkraise if you think that villain will go for 3 streets of value.)

13 outs??? a 10 puts 4 cards to a straight on the board, so i have 10 outs, which is 21% on the turn....i have 28% pot odds....if the queen or 7 fall i doubt i get too much more out of him cause theres still 4 to straight out there, and if another jack hits he could already have a straight, q10 or 10 7s easily being in his range. So i am not sure about adding much for implied odds, i still feel it is a fold...


and if he already has a straight i am crushed, he could have tptk or an overpair...idk

i do agree i should fold pre...idk about raising pre b/c i am utg...but as played i thought it was a fold and am still pretty sure i did the right thing.

One question though ragnar, what does the "hero has a tiny amount of value in a showdown" mean i see stuff like that a lot here and i am not 100 percent sure on the meaning

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

Uhh. Hero's calling .34 to win .87 with 13 outs.

Seems like a call to me, especially considering Hero has a tiny amount of value in a showdown.

Blocking bet if you miss, Valuebet if you hit (Consider a value checkraise if you think that villain will go for 3 streets of value.)

13 outs??? a 10 puts 4 cards to a straight on the board, so i have 10 outs, which is 21% on the turn....i have 28% pot odds....if the queen or 7 fall i doubt i get too much more out of him cause theres still 4 to straight out there, and if another jack hits he could already have a straight, q10 or 10 7s easily being in his range. So i am not sure about adding much for implied odds, i still feel it is a fold...


and if he already has a straight i am crushed, he could have tptk or an overpair...idk

i do agree i should fold pre...idk about raising pre b/c i am utg...but as played i thought it was a fold and am still pretty sure i did the right thing.

One question though ragnar, what does the "hero has a tiny amount of value in a showdown" mean i see stuff like that a lot here and i am not 100 percent sure on the meaning

So you're telling me MP is capable of minraising QT and T7, and 57 preflop?

As for value at showdown, It's a concept I still struggle with, but basically it goes like this, when you have something like top pair weak kicker, you often will want to try to get to showdown by exercising pot-controll techniques because your hand stands to win more than its fair share of the time, but its not worth comitting all your stack to.

If your opponent "lawl all you can eat" shoves on you after you check the river when you blank, you can fold, but if he bets some wierd amount like 1/2 pot you could probably consider a call unless the river card is stupid scary.

You could also consider a blocking type bet, that would be less than 1/2 the pot. I would almost wonder if you could get away with 1/3rd pot at the river.

please raise PF

no way we have 13 clean outs Ragnar

Even though preflop is pretty bad, postflop is fine. Betting the flop with TP + oesd in a minraised pot is fine. When villain minraises flop, you are getting like 4.3:1 immediate pot odds to call. And on the turn you no longer have those pot odds, and your implied odds pretty much suck. So it's fine.

fold preflop. with the exception of the blinds we're going to be OOP for the rest of the hand

Originally Posted by AFchung

raise preflop. with the exception of the blinds we're going to be OOP for the rest of the hand

fyp

Fold pre.

Aside from that i've understood showdown value to mean you could win should the hand go to showdown. EX: if you hold bottom pair in a heads up pot that is checked down to river you don't need to attempt a steal because you have show down value.

anyone who folds PF should just quit poker

wtf kind of enjoyment can you get folding JTs

spenda, what are your typical hud stats at 5nl?

you guys realize this is 6m right? Baby jesus cries when you open fold JTs in 6m

at the time a few people were sitting out, so it was full ring, but i guess i should have adjusted to the amount of people at the table and def raised.