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# Just wondering

1. ## Just wondering

I was wondering if there was a table out there that would tell me the following:

%win with AA.kk,qq,XX. Basically all the combinations. (Against random hands)
With
2-10 players
So after 5 cards how many times would AA win.
I think that would be useful.

By the way great site I think I am going to take the plunge this weekend and put 100\$ real money into the game.
2. ## Just wondering

I was wondering if there was a table out there that would tell me the following:

%win with AA.kk,qq,XX. Basically all the combinations. (Against random hands)
With
2-10 players
So after 5 cards how many times would AA win.
I think that would be useful.

By the way great site I think I am going to take the plunge this weekend and put 100\$ real money into the game.
3. ## Just wondering

I was wondering if there was a table out there that would tell me the following:

%win with AA.kk,qq,XX. Basically all the combinations. (Against random hands)
With
2-10 players
So after 5 cards how many times would AA win.
I think that would be useful.

By the way great site I think I am going to take the plunge this weekend and put 100\$ real money into the game.
4. ## Just wondering

I was wondering if there was a table out there that would tell me the following:

%win with AA.kk,qq,XX. Basically all the combinations. (Against random hands)
With
2-10 players
So after 5 cards how many times would AA win.
I think that would be useful.

By the way great site I think I am going to take the plunge this weekend and put 100\$ real money into the game.
5. ## Just wondering

I was wondering if there was a table out there that would tell me the following:

%win with AA.kk,qq,XX. Basically all the combinations. (Against random hands)
With
2-10 players
So after 5 cards how many times would AA win.
I think that would be useful.

By the way great site I think I am going to take the plunge this weekend and put 100\$ real money into the game.
6. ## Just wondering

I was wondering if there was a table out there that would tell me the following:

%win with AA.kk,qq,XX. Basically all the combinations. (Against random hands)
With
2-10 players
So after 5 cards how many times would AA win.
I think that would be useful.

By the way great site I think I am going to take the plunge this weekend and put 100\$ real money into the game.
7. ## Re: Just wondering

Welcome to the board!

Originally Posted by !Luck
I was wondering if there was a table out there that would
tell me the following:

%win with AA.kk,qq,XX. Basically all the combinations. (Against random hands)
With
2-10 players
So after 5 cards how many times would AA win.
I think that would be useful.
Variations of this table exist, but it's not all that useful.

First, you're not playing against random hands. You're playing against hands your particular opponents decide to limp or call your pre-flop raise (if any) with.

Second, one of the biggest criticisms I have with analysis for Hold'em is using 5 cards to compare hands. Particuarly for No-Limit. At a \$25 table a monster pre-flop raise is \$5, with around \$2 being the norm. Where-as I'm casually throwing around \$2+ dollar bets after the flop and it can very quickly escalate to all of my stack from there. So, it's more important to know where your hand is at after 3 or 4 cards because those decisions really make or break your bankroll.

AK makes a pair or better around ~50% of the time with 5 cards, but only around 30% of the time with 3 cards. Huge difference that plays a big part in how I play that hand.

My advise would be to invest in some books before starting a bankroll.
8. ## Re: Just wondering

Welcome to the board!

Originally Posted by !Luck
I was wondering if there was a table out there that would
tell me the following:

%win with AA.kk,qq,XX. Basically all the combinations. (Against random hands)
With
2-10 players
So after 5 cards how many times would AA win.
I think that would be useful.
Variations of this table exist, but it's not all that useful.

First, you're not playing against random hands. You're playing against hands your particular opponents decide to limp or call your pre-flop raise (if any) with.

Second, one of the biggest criticisms I have with analysis for Hold'em is using 5 cards to compare hands. Particuarly for No-Limit. At a \$25 table a monster pre-flop raise is \$5, with around \$2 being the norm. Where-as I'm casually throwing around \$2+ dollar bets after the flop and it can very quickly escalate to all of my stack from there. So, it's more important to know where your hand is at after 3 or 4 cards because those decisions really make or break your bankroll.

AK makes a pair or better around ~50% of the time with 5 cards, but only around 30% of the time with 3 cards. Huge difference that plays a big part in how I play that hand.

My advise would be to invest in some books before starting a bankroll.
9. ## Re: Just wondering

Welcome to the board!

Originally Posted by !Luck
I was wondering if there was a table out there that would
tell me the following:

%win with AA.kk,qq,XX. Basically all the combinations. (Against random hands)
With
2-10 players
So after 5 cards how many times would AA win.
I think that would be useful.
Variations of this table exist, but it's not all that useful.

First, you're not playing against random hands. You're playing against hands your particular opponents decide to limp or call your pre-flop raise (if any) with.

Second, one of the biggest criticisms I have with analysis for Hold'em is using 5 cards to compare hands. Particuarly for No-Limit. At a \$25 table a monster pre-flop raise is \$5, with around \$2 being the norm. Where-as I'm casually throwing around \$2+ dollar bets after the flop and it can very quickly escalate to all of my stack from there. So, it's more important to know where your hand is at after 3 or 4 cards because those decisions really make or break your bankroll.

AK makes a pair or better around ~50% of the time with 5 cards, but only around 30% of the time with 3 cards. Huge difference that plays a big part in how I play that hand.

My advise would be to invest in some books before starting a bankroll.
10. ## Re: Just wondering

Welcome to the board!

Originally Posted by !Luck
I was wondering if there was a table out there that would
tell me the following:

%win with AA.kk,qq,XX. Basically all the combinations. (Against random hands)
With
2-10 players
So after 5 cards how many times would AA win.
I think that would be useful.
Variations of this table exist, but it's not all that useful.

First, you're not playing against random hands. You're playing against hands your particular opponents decide to limp or call your pre-flop raise (if any) with.

Second, one of the biggest criticisms I have with analysis for Hold'em is using 5 cards to compare hands. Particuarly for No-Limit. At a \$25 table a monster pre-flop raise is \$5, with around \$2 being the norm. Where-as I'm casually throwing around \$2+ dollar bets after the flop and it can very quickly escalate to all of my stack from there. So, it's more important to know where your hand is at after 3 or 4 cards because those decisions really make or break your bankroll.

AK makes a pair or better around ~50% of the time with 5 cards, but only around 30% of the time with 3 cards. Huge difference that plays a big part in how I play that hand.

My advise would be to invest in some books before starting a bankroll.
11. ## Re: Just wondering

Welcome to the board!

Originally Posted by !Luck
I was wondering if there was a table out there that would
tell me the following:

%win with AA.kk,qq,XX. Basically all the combinations. (Against random hands)
With
2-10 players
So after 5 cards how many times would AA win.
I think that would be useful.
Variations of this table exist, but it's not all that useful.

First, you're not playing against random hands. You're playing against hands your particular opponents decide to limp or call your pre-flop raise (if any) with.

Second, one of the biggest criticisms I have with analysis for Hold'em is using 5 cards to compare hands. Particuarly for No-Limit. At a \$25 table a monster pre-flop raise is \$5, with around \$2 being the norm. Where-as I'm casually throwing around \$2+ dollar bets after the flop and it can very quickly escalate to all of my stack from there. So, it's more important to know where your hand is at after 3 or 4 cards because those decisions really make or break your bankroll.

AK makes a pair or better around ~50% of the time with 5 cards, but only around 30% of the time with 3 cards. Huge difference that plays a big part in how I play that hand.

My advise would be to invest in some books before starting a bankroll.
12. ## Re: Just wondering

Welcome to the board!

Originally Posted by !Luck
I was wondering if there was a table out there that would
tell me the following:

%win with AA.kk,qq,XX. Basically all the combinations. (Against random hands)
With
2-10 players
So after 5 cards how many times would AA win.
I think that would be useful.
Variations of this table exist, but it's not all that useful.

First, you're not playing against random hands. You're playing against hands your particular opponents decide to limp or call your pre-flop raise (if any) with.

Second, one of the biggest criticisms I have with analysis for Hold'em is using 5 cards to compare hands. Particuarly for No-Limit. At a \$25 table a monster pre-flop raise is \$5, with around \$2 being the norm. Where-as I'm casually throwing around \$2+ dollar bets after the flop and it can very quickly escalate to all of my stack from there. So, it's more important to know where your hand is at after 3 or 4 cards because those decisions really make or break your bankroll.

AK makes a pair or better around ~50% of the time with 5 cards, but only around 30% of the time with 3 cards. Huge difference that plays a big part in how I play that hand.

My advise would be to invest in some books before starting a bankroll.
13.  02-12-2004 05:54 PM Fnord Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 19,388 Location Silicon Valley
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19.  02-12-2004 05:55 PM !Luck Join Date Feb 2004 Posts 1,876 Location Under a bridge Thank you for your quick reply. I guess I see what you are saying. I am begging to understand Implied and pot odds. One of the reason why I decided (deciding) to play online is that I been having a good 2 month or so playing home games. If you can offer any advice I will gladly accept it.
20.  02-12-2004 05:55 PM !Luck Join Date Feb 2004 Posts 1,876 Location Under a bridge Thank you for your quick reply. I guess I see what you are saying. I am begging to understand Implied and pot odds. One of the reason why I decided (deciding) to play online is that I been having a good 2 month or so playing home games. If you can offer any advice I will gladly accept it.
21.  02-12-2004 05:55 PM !Luck Join Date Feb 2004 Posts 1,876 Location Under a bridge Thank you for your quick reply. I guess I see what you are saying. I am begging to understand Implied and pot odds. One of the reason why I decided (deciding) to play online is that I been having a good 2 month or so playing home games. If you can offer any advice I will gladly accept it.
22.  02-12-2004 05:55 PM !Luck Join Date Feb 2004 Posts 1,876 Location Under a bridge Thank you for your quick reply. I guess I see what you are saying. I am begging to understand Implied and pot odds. One of the reason why I decided (deciding) to play online is that I been having a good 2 month or so playing home games. If you can offer any advice I will gladly accept it.
23.  02-12-2004 05:55 PM !Luck Join Date Feb 2004 Posts 1,876 Location Under a bridge Thank you for your quick reply. I guess I see what you are saying. I am begging to understand Implied and pot odds. One of the reason why I decided (deciding) to play online is that I been having a good 2 month or so playing home games. If you can offer any advice I will gladly accept it.
24.  02-12-2004 05:55 PM !Luck Join Date Feb 2004 Posts 1,876 Location Under a bridge Thank you for your quick reply. I guess I see what you are saying. I am begging to understand Implied and pot odds. One of the reason why I decided (deciding) to play online is that I been having a good 2 month or so playing home games. If you can offer any advice I will gladly accept it.
25.  02-12-2004 06:28 PM ttanaka Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 1,474 Location Manhattan Beach Welcome !Luck, Reading books for fundamentals is a good start, that's where I started. The advice on this website should help also. The first thing you should review are the starting hands. Fnord posted his starting hands on this message board, I also have my starting hands off the home page. Now that you have the cards you'll be playing, and how you'll be playing them pre-flop, check out the Pot Odds essay off the main page. This will give you a basic understand of pot odds, calculating those pot odds, and how to incorporate that into your game. You can read that here: http://www.flopturnriver.com/start_pot_odds.html You can also see a Play-By-Play hand where I consider the pot odds to make the right call - http://www.flopturnriver.com/hand_112603.html If you have any specific questions, you can post them here! Good luck.
26.  02-12-2004 06:28 PM ttanaka Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 1,474 Location Manhattan Beach Welcome !Luck, Reading books for fundamentals is a good start, that's where I started. The advice on this website should help also. The first thing you should review are the starting hands. Fnord posted his starting hands on this message board, I also have my starting hands off the home page. Now that you have the cards you'll be playing, and how you'll be playing them pre-flop, check out the Pot Odds essay off the main page. This will give you a basic understand of pot odds, calculating those pot odds, and how to incorporate that into your game. You can read that here: http://www.flopturnriver.com/start_pot_odds.html You can also see a Play-By-Play hand where I consider the pot odds to make the right call - http://www.flopturnriver.com/hand_112603.html If you have any specific questions, you can post them here! Good luck.
27.  02-12-2004 06:28 PM ttanaka Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 1,474 Location Manhattan Beach Welcome !Luck, Reading books for fundamentals is a good start, that's where I started. The advice on this website should help also. The first thing you should review are the starting hands. Fnord posted his starting hands on this message board, I also have my starting hands off the home page. Now that you have the cards you'll be playing, and how you'll be playing them pre-flop, check out the Pot Odds essay off the main page. This will give you a basic understand of pot odds, calculating those pot odds, and how to incorporate that into your game. You can read that here: http://www.flopturnriver.com/start_pot_odds.html You can also see a Play-By-Play hand where I consider the pot odds to make the right call - http://www.flopturnriver.com/hand_112603.html If you have any specific questions, you can post them here! Good luck.
28.  02-12-2004 06:28 PM ttanaka Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 1,474 Location Manhattan Beach Welcome !Luck, Reading books for fundamentals is a good start, that's where I started. The advice on this website should help also. The first thing you should review are the starting hands. Fnord posted his starting hands on this message board, I also have my starting hands off the home page. Now that you have the cards you'll be playing, and how you'll be playing them pre-flop, check out the Pot Odds essay off the main page. This will give you a basic understand of pot odds, calculating those pot odds, and how to incorporate that into your game. You can read that here: http://www.flopturnriver.com/start_pot_odds.html You can also see a Play-By-Play hand where I consider the pot odds to make the right call - http://www.flopturnriver.com/hand_112603.html If you have any specific questions, you can post them here! Good luck.
29.  02-12-2004 06:28 PM ttanaka Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 1,474 Location Manhattan Beach Welcome !Luck, Reading books for fundamentals is a good start, that's where I started. The advice on this website should help also. The first thing you should review are the starting hands. Fnord posted his starting hands on this message board, I also have my starting hands off the home page. Now that you have the cards you'll be playing, and how you'll be playing them pre-flop, check out the Pot Odds essay off the main page. This will give you a basic understand of pot odds, calculating those pot odds, and how to incorporate that into your game. You can read that here: http://www.flopturnriver.com/start_pot_odds.html You can also see a Play-By-Play hand where I consider the pot odds to make the right call - http://www.flopturnriver.com/hand_112603.html If you have any specific questions, you can post them here! Good luck.
30.  02-12-2004 06:28 PM ttanaka Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 1,474 Location Manhattan Beach Welcome !Luck, Reading books for fundamentals is a good start, that's where I started. The advice on this website should help also. The first thing you should review are the starting hands. Fnord posted his starting hands on this message board, I also have my starting hands off the home page. Now that you have the cards you'll be playing, and how you'll be playing them pre-flop, check out the Pot Odds essay off the main page. This will give you a basic understand of pot odds, calculating those pot odds, and how to incorporate that into your game. You can read that here: http://www.flopturnriver.com/start_pot_odds.html You can also see a Play-By-Play hand where I consider the pot odds to make the right call - http://www.flopturnriver.com/hand_112603.html If you have any specific questions, you can post them here! Good luck.
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37.  02-12-2004 11:48 PM Fnord Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 19,388 Location Silicon Valley Steve Badger on starting hands... http://www.playwinningpoker.com/articles/03/19.html http://www.playwinningpoker.com/articles/00/21.html
38.  02-12-2004 11:48 PM Fnord Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 19,388 Location Silicon Valley Steve Badger on starting hands... http://www.playwinningpoker.com/articles/03/19.html http://www.playwinningpoker.com/articles/00/21.html
39.  02-12-2004 11:48 PM Fnord Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 19,388 Location Silicon Valley Steve Badger on starting hands... http://www.playwinningpoker.com/articles/03/19.html http://www.playwinningpoker.com/articles/00/21.html
40.  02-12-2004 11:48 PM Fnord Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 19,388 Location Silicon Valley Steve Badger on starting hands... http://www.playwinningpoker.com/articles/03/19.html http://www.playwinningpoker.com/articles/00/21.html
41.  02-12-2004 11:48 PM Fnord Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 19,388 Location Silicon Valley Steve Badger on starting hands... http://www.playwinningpoker.com/articles/03/19.html http://www.playwinningpoker.com/articles/00/21.html
42.  02-12-2004 11:48 PM Fnord Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 19,388 Location Silicon Valley Steve Badger on starting hands... http://www.playwinningpoker.com/articles/03/19.html http://www.playwinningpoker.com/articles/00/21.html

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