01-03-2007 12:33 AM
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making SC's profitable? | |
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01-03-2007 04:21 AM
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I use to 3bet them in and out of position, i have changed that though, i never 3bet SC's anymore, i call with them in position, unless the pfr is a solid player with a big pfr range coz that kills my implied odds...i love calling pfr's with SC's when the guy has stats of like 30/8 or lower, i feel like my implied odds are pretty big with players like this, plus they are pretty easy to float as well if i miss. |
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01-03-2007 10:11 AM
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01-03-2007 11:25 AM
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pokerroomace, "3bet" is actually the raise after a pfr, like the 12bb bet after a 4bb pfr...even though I agree it makes more sense to just call it a 2bet | |
01-03-2007 11:33 AM
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I got such a mouthful from the villain for this hand. Would anyone have played it differently? Should I have folded in the BB after a raiser and a caller? |
01-03-2007 11:58 AM
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Dont forget one of the single biggest factors. Stack size. Implied odds generally wont be there in a lot of MTT situations. | |
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01-03-2007 01:39 PM
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benny, | |
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01-03-2007 01:47 PM
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biondino, | |
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01-03-2007 01:50 PM
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01-03-2007 01:52 PM
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01-03-2007 02:54 PM
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this is how i "typically" play them. but, i figure this hand plays itself. | |
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01-03-2007 02:59 PM
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isn't the pf call with 65s OOP slightly loose blondihno? | |
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01-03-2007 03:04 PM
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01-03-2007 03:17 PM
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I *think*, and this is really just a guess - that SCs are hard to play at small (50-100) stakes because you don't really have the deception value you think you do against a typical player. There are lots of loose players who don't even care what you have, and there are lots of paranoid weak/tight players who are going to fold when the 3rd suited card hits anyway. | |
01-03-2007 03:57 PM
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01-03-2007 04:16 PM
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01-03-2007 04:54 PM
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01-03-2007 04:56 PM
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01-03-2007 05:42 PM
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I don't waste much time putting people on hands at 25NL. The important thing is that you have the NUTZ YO it doesn't matter what they have it's worse than yours. Having a $3 bet called twice is better than a $1 bet being called 5 times. A8, 34 is coming along for the ride regardless. T8 may think and call it's hard to say sometimes. | |
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01-03-2007 05:58 PM
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01-03-2007 06:25 PM
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01-03-2007 06:33 PM
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I always fold SCs from EP, and most often from MP unless the players acting after are passive. With drawing hands you have much worse implied odds OOP. For this reason I will almost never call a raise OOP. | |
01-03-2007 06:35 PM
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Reads are important in the sense: weak/tight, solid/agro, calling station. Or: min-raises solid hands, loves to bluff river, donk bets turn when 2 pair hits, etc. | |
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01-03-2007 06:47 PM
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Chopper - I don't like your bet 1/3rd pot then raise on turn in your hand. If you are going to bet small and fish for a raise, just call it, and hope he puts more money in on the river. If another club hits, well, try to not get a/i. If you want to b3b it, bet a real amount, or even an overbet. Unless you bluff raise like this as well... | |
01-03-2007 07:27 PM
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01-03-2007 08:33 PM
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i gotta thank you guys for what has turned into the "give chopper free advice" post. this HAS helped a lot, as i have seen most of you guys posting in here before and respect your opinions. | |
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01-03-2007 08:41 PM
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01-03-2007 09:23 PM
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Raise pre-flop because there is 5BB in the pot already with no-one who's displayed and affection for their hand. If that was 2 limpers, limping 88 from LP is ok. | |
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01-03-2007 10:07 PM
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honestly, this was me getting VERY greedy. i have tendencies towards FPS (fancy play syndrome), as do we all, just not THIS bad, i imagine. | |
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01-03-2007 11:25 PM
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01-04-2007 12:51 AM
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makes sense, but sometimes it is unwise to cbet, right? and the more callers to your raise, the more unwise it is to cbet, right? for example, a lone A hits a rainbow flop...cbet. however, what if the flop comes Ah Th 4c, do you still cbet an opponent you have no reads on? | |
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01-04-2007 01:06 AM
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01-04-2007 03:00 AM
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I usually play my SC's like this: | |
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01-04-2007 09:52 AM
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jager, | |
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01-04-2007 10:59 AM
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Also, low SCs like 45s and 67s *should* be considerably less profitable than QJs and T9s because: |
01-04-2007 11:23 AM
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01-04-2007 11:44 AM
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01-04-2007 11:59 AM
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01-04-2007 12:48 PM
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01-04-2007 12:50 PM
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01-04-2007 12:57 PM
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01-04-2007 02:45 PM
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I disagree about raising preflop with middle pairs. Yes, you are ahead. But your set gets the most value when it hits in a multiway pot, especially if you hit the rare but stackable full house you will want someone else to have trips. By isolating people you have a lower chance someone wants to play with you when your set does hit. I want to play pairs for stacks to hit sets and so I agree with your raise on the flop, but I have made a lot more money lately calling with pairs to get into multi way pots to get paid. | |
01-04-2007 03:11 PM
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FWIW, in the hand history Chopper posted, I'd even raise 22. I open-raise all pp's from all positions and raise lower pp's after limpers from LP. Stats on TT-22 from 12k hands at 100NL full-ring: | |
01-04-2007 05:27 PM
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whatever its worth, 50NL, I'm assuming you are posting 100NL? | |
01-04-2007 06:13 PM
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01-04-2007 06:23 PM
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01-04-2007 06:26 PM
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01-04-2007 07:42 PM
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01-04-2007 07:43 PM
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01-04-2007 08:00 PM
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01-04-2007 09:20 PM
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01-05-2007 07:41 PM
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01-06-2007 02:46 AM
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01-06-2007 02:49 AM
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01-06-2007 07:10 AM
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01-06-2007 11:24 AM
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01-06-2007 12:14 PM
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01-06-2007 02:47 PM
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i'm talking about FR btw. i should never fold PPs when it hasn't been raised up before me? | |
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01-06-2007 04:46 PM
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01-06-2007 10:35 PM
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hmmmm | |
01-07-2007 12:26 AM
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good reply, miffed. thanks. | |
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01-07-2007 07:26 AM
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01-07-2007 11:42 AM
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i would agree w/ you. but down here in the trenches (25 NL), do you think its more +EV to "mix it up" or simply practice your "discilpline" by trying to stay w/ "abc poker?" | |
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01-07-2007 12:52 PM
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01-07-2007 06:38 PM
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01-07-2007 06:42 PM
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01-07-2007 08:08 PM
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01-07-2007 08:20 PM
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01-07-2007 08:42 PM
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01-07-2007 10:46 PM
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thanks. i have "traditionally" murdered stars (my best site), but have noticed it getting tougher, even with the bump in volume after US regs. | |
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01-08-2007 04:13 AM
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01-08-2007 11:36 AM
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01-08-2007 12:50 PM
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01-08-2007 09:38 PM
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01-11-2007 09:53 PM
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how bout this for a 1-gapper...sc...whatever...all thesame to me. | |
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