Quote Originally Posted by Thunder
My point being, with just 9 cards left (18%chance) and with $1282 in the pot, calling $282 to win $1564 is providing him with odds of 1 in 5.5 which is 4.5 to 1.

If you go over my posts, and if you could *please* use the formula/logic there, you'll have a much better chance of getting through to me. When I see your stream of equasions I slip into a coma.
OK, if you use the rule of 2 and 4:

- If you estimate that Howard is 18% to win then he is 4.56 to 1 against to hit on the river, so any bet has to be large enough to offer him worse than 4.56 to 1 on the call. This amount is $281 ($1281/$281) = 4.56 to 1. So if you use the rule of 4 and 2, Phil Gordon's calculation of $282 is correct.

- If you round up to 20% then Howard is 4 to 1 against to hit on the river, so the corresponding bet is $333 ($1333/$333) = 4 to 1, so the minimum bet would need to be $334.