megapassive runhot fish CRAI river

this hand made me vomit. happened right after he coolered me and stacked me. The guy is ridicilously passive and will call all streets with whatever crap he has. That's why i iso'd small cuz he donkbetted flops happily and had sudden megaspastic weird lines which didn't fit his stats at all. I bet smallish on the river cuz though he was a monky he wouldn't call big bets on typical boards that scare fishes.

over 150 hands he was a 50/4 very passive never checkraised

On Game No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - On Game Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($10.16)
SB ($9.45)
BB ($10)
UTG ($1.92)
MP ($55.10)
CO ($10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, J
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.30, 2 folds, MP calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.75) J, J, 4 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.40, MP calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.55) Q (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1, MP calls $1

River: ($3.55) 6 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.25, MP raises $4, Hero folds

Total pot: $6.05

If he's calling everything, bet bigger on flop and turn. I think you know what to do on the river.

Originally Posted by TheLongGrind

The guy is ridicilously passive and will call all streets with whatever crap he has.

meh, pre is probably a fold cos you're relying on winning at showdown
as played way bigger on flop and turn then this isn't even a thread

what? pre is def not a fold.

op, any reads on sb and bb? these affect pre-flop a lot

gonna be lots of really competent players at 10nl who are good at playing from the blinds?

Originally Posted by bikes

gonna be lots of really competent players at 10nl who are good at playing from the blinds?

insta-iso pre with TJo without even considering the players in the blinds, nor how we are going to play various HU flops vs a known huge station = a huge leak.

fwiw, i probably iso here most of the time cos i try and get in as many HU spots vs fish as possible. But that doesn't mean it should be done without thinking about a - our hand, b - our plan, and c - our opponents yet to act

Originally Posted by daven

op, any reads on sb and bb? these affect pre-flop a lot

sb and bb both nits; could have raised bigger but since he occasionally took very weird lines i wanted to keep the spr in my favour. Normally i raise this to something like 0.45

Daven , i don't rlly understand what ur talking about , Obviously i know when to isolate and frankly i don't really care about the blinds unless they are 3 bet happy which wasn't the case. don't see how this is relevant. If u think folding JTo on the BTN vs megacallingstations isn't good. fine , then we belong to a different school of thoughts.

btw this fish didn't have an inelastic calling range. Meaning i can't just bet large every street and hope he calls. I think he has a lot of weak hands on this board in general so i chose this sizing to get 3 streets of delicious value.

Secondly , ' we need to have a plan'. I always lol when i hear this because it's a fish bro he can end up doing weird shit on all kinds of boards with a superwide range. I'll evaluate when the flop comes obv.

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This is pretty puke and probably a fold if you have never seen him raise b4 or w/e.

Anyway pre is obv iso unless blinds are going to 3b you a tonne which is never happening at almost any stake cept maybe 200NL where every1 is retarded and hates playing pots with fish. Anyway bet bigger each street if he never folds. Don't be scared to overbet in the future either although this obviously isn't the best board for it.

Originally Posted by TheLongGrind

btw this fish didn't have an inelastic calling range. Meaning i can't just bet large every street and hope he calls. I think he has a lot of weak hands on this board in general so i chose this sizing to get 3 streets of delicious value.
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It's better to win his stack half the time then it is to win 1/4 of his stack all the time.

fuck it villain owned me and showed TT. i think he accidentally turned his hand into a bluff . Going by his stats and his uberpassive behaviour i don't think i could have done anything else but fold though. Tbh i feel like a twat posting this it's always gonna be bet/fold vs passive megawhales on this river. Unless they have proven to spazz hard postflop

Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

It's better to win his stack half the time then it is to win 1/4 of his stack all the time.

hmm ur very likely right , at the time i felt he kept consistently folding to big bets on boards where he normally always continues vs smaller bets. Probably weighted to much importance to his continiuing range.

Note to myself , bet retardedly big vs passive fish always

i was responding based on the limited info provided in op, more info obviously affects things:

Originally Posted by TheLongGrind

sb and bb both nits;

relevant info that affects whether preflop is ok - obviously this fact makes an iso better than if assuming an info void re the blinds

Originally Posted by TheLongGrind

Obviously i know when to isolate and frankly i don't really care about the blinds unless they are 3 bet happy which wasn't the case. don't see how this is relevant. If u think folding JTo on the BTN vs megacallingstations isn't good. fine , then we belong to a different school of thoughts.

re bold, i didn't know what you already know. And I don't think 'when to iso?' is solved in general. I mean, I know a lot of players better than me still wonder 'is this a good spot to iso?' from time to time...
is iso necessarily better than limping behind? probably is, but did you consider this? re blinds being relevant - you state yourself 'unless they are 3bet happy' = so obviously their tendencies are relevant. I asked, because as far as i knew they could have been e.g. 3b monkeys, there are other types of blinds that affect this hand too, but nits make the iso better

Originally Posted by TheLongGrind

btw this fish didn't have an inelastic calling range. Meaning i can't just bet large every street and hope he calls.

you didn't state this in op, you said

Originally Posted by TheLongGrind

will call all streets with whatever crap he has

Originally Posted by TheLongGrind

Secondly , ' we need to have a plan'. I always lol when i hear this because it's a fish bro he can end up doing weird shit on all kinds of boards with a superwide range. I'll evaluate when the flop comes obv.
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fair enough - in general though, were you planning on winning without showdown if you missed the flop, or stacking him if you hit? or? something else?

anyway, overall (and obviously i may be wrong) i think that preflop iso is marginal without info on the blinds or knowing that villain CAN fold postflop - iso is fine if blinds are both nits etc, info that was lacking when i first commented on the hand.

oh, and as played pretty much call getting 4:1, folding ok too - neither river option is a huge error

*puke*

I might look him up, but I suck at folding and tend to get into a lot of pots with guys like that....

Srry Daven the preflop action was so trivial for me, didn't feel like sb and bb info was important. And i wanted some discussion on the river decision basically and betsizing ofc. Prefop is kind of solved when u have a megawhale and u got the button in my opinion