mp 78s flops good, turns more outs - 25nl

cutoff is 50-30-0 over 20, bb is 70-40-1 over 30, 20% fold to cbet, raised one cbet with the nuts. In an earlier hand with me bb called pre then c-c c-c overbet shove when river double paired the board earlier and i regretfully folded my a-high. Only real history. I'm 24-19-9 at this table so far, no showdowns.
$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
7 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($33.72)
daven (MP) ($25)
CO ($31.42)
BTN ($21.57)
SB ($5.13)
BB ($24.47)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 7 players) daven is MP
2 folds, daven raises to $0.85, CO calls $0.85, 2 folds, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.65, 3 players)
BB checks, daven bets $1.70, CO calls $1.70, BB calls $1.70

Turn: ($7.75, 3 players)
BB checks, daven ($22.45)?

$4.75?

^ sounds good to me

I think my bet sizing is awful in general. I'd have gone for 5.75. Why is 4.75 better?

I'd just go like 5.75 since this guy is a huge drooler and will call with worst anyway + we want to bloat the pot IP v a huge drooler and we are trying to win the max anyway as we'll have to be checking back a lot etc.

Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

I'd just go like 5.75 since this guy is a huge drooler and will call with worst anyway + we want to bloat the pot IP v a huge drooler and we are trying to win the max anyway as we'll have to be checking back a lot etc.

This.

Vs 2 villains, we have great equity now but I doubt when the river bricks and we chk back we're ever winning. So I don't care for that as a reason to bet anything. Are these guys likely to pay you off on good rivers? If not bet massive now if so bet smaller. I like smaller cos these guys are fishes and will prolly both call now, we can chk fold shit rivers, loosing the least and can make a good v bet vs 2 villains gettting at least 1 call on good rivers. 4-5 seems good.

Originally Posted by kickass

Vs 2 villains, we have great equity now but I doubt when the river bricks and we chk back we're ever winning. So I don't care for that as a reason to bet anything. Are these guys likely to pay you off on good rivers? If not bet massive now if so bet smaller. I like smaller cos these guys are fishes and will prolly both call now, we can chk fold shit rivers, loosing the least and can make a good v bet vs 2 villains gettting at least 1 call on good rivers. 4-5 seems good.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

126,924 games 0.046 secs 2,759,217 games/sec

Board: 9h 6c 8s 4h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.808% 29.37% 04.44% 37280 5630.50 { 8h7h }
Hand 1: 25.396% 22.05% 03.34% 27990 4243.00 { 77, AhTh, A8s, Ah6h, K8s, QhJh, QhTh, Q8s, JhTh, J8s, T8s, 85s+, 76s, A8o, K8o, Q8o, JTo, J8o, T8o, 98o, 87o, 76o }
Hand 2: 40.796% 36.90% 03.89% 46837 4943.50 { 77, A8s, Ah6h, K8s, Q8s, J8s, T8s, 98s, 87s, A8o, K8o, Q8o, J8o, T8o, 98o, 87o }

Did not realize there is 3 villains. Now I am super happy to just bet big because we are NEVER behind 3way. Above is a bunch of to pair hands and flush draws that crush us +77 and not many 6x(65o may peel 2 etc.) If we start to include a bunch of 7x in both their ranges our equity goes up to 35%. This is GREAT considering we can easily take showdowns at the river v these passive fish. We get paid a HUGE % if we bink when they both call turn and the 3rd thing is we're already way ahead where we need to be(33.33% for a b/e bet without future streets).

I stilll cannot comprehend why we want to only bet sub 5$ and throw away a few bbs which obviously is not huge in this one situation that never ever comes up BUT will be huge if we make similar 4bb mistakes every few hundred hands.

I will look deeper into this when i get home, it's a good one. I don't see much 9x in your ranges or any weak over pairs TT JJ And i think there should be at least 1 set in there. These are the hands I expect to call and us loose to on the river.

Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

Did not realize there is 3 villains.

there are only two villains. regarding your comment about needing 33.33% or more (in a vacuum) to at least breakeven in a 3-way pot, doesn't this assume our opponents both call 100% of the time? is this something we need to consider?

55-QQ, A6-A9, 97-9K, 87-8K, JT-JQ, TQ, 56, 67, 68s. is the kinda range i give both villains. but I dont know what to do with it. we are massive here vs 2 villains does that mean we want tons of money going in now? a big bet would prolly get better 8s to fold but just as likely with a small bet. on blank rivers we are almost never winning. on good rivers are we getting paid if the money doesnt go in now?

Originally Posted by rpm

there are only two villains. regarding your comment about needing 33.33% or more (in a vacuum) to at least breakeven in a 3-way pot, doesn't this assume our opponents both call 100% of the time? is this something we need to consider?

we're flipping v 1 villain ldo? and by flipping I mean we are 55/45.

yeah good point. i'm not sure i even knew which hand this thread was about when i posted that.