07-17-2006 02:06 AM
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07-17-2006 03:59 AM
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07-17-2006 04:01 AM
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Bailey
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07-17-2006 04:04 AM
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rippy and aok is actually quite a good comparison | |
07-17-2006 06:52 AM
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Good post lambchopdc | |
07-17-2006 10:02 AM
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Overall good post lambchopdc: | |
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07-17-2006 10:23 AM
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07-17-2006 10:53 AM
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Every novice of poker should start by learning a positionally aware tight aggressive game. Its not too complicated, and it will make you a better player whereas a chart will only hinder your development. | |
07-17-2006 11:01 AM
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07-17-2006 11:20 AM
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07-17-2006 11:22 AM
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07-17-2006 11:32 AM
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07-17-2006 11:38 AM
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My biggest problem with AOK is that he is using FlopTurnRiver.com as a platform to promote his own site. It may not be as obvious as some attempts by others, but IMO it is spam none-the-less. | |
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07-17-2006 11:40 AM
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07-17-2006 12:02 PM
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07-17-2006 12:12 PM
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My system only uses 1 hand | |
07-17-2006 12:44 PM
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07-17-2006 01:02 PM
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07-17-2006 03:29 PM
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07-17-2006 05:42 PM
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07-17-2006 05:59 PM
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Just a friendly moderator announcement to remind everyone to play nice. | |
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07-17-2006 09:37 PM
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here are my PO Stats since i started using the 19 Hand Chartive been using using the 19 hand chart for a couple days now ..i'll post an update in a week when i have about 10 k hands ,,, |
07-17-2006 11:47 PM
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07-18-2006 12:44 AM
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Hey Lambchop, I just read your post, good arguments. I will not defend Aok's charts/advices anymore because Aok probably will do it better, I just want to write about MY experiences with everything that Aok put on FTR forums. | |
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07-18-2006 12:49 AM
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07-18-2006 01:07 AM
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07-18-2006 03:49 AM
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07-18-2006 06:27 AM
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07-18-2006 08:59 AM
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07-18-2006 10:10 AM
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OK, i'm not fully versed in all this 19 hand business, but i do know generally what its about. I don't really agree with the system, there are definate holes in it. By not calling (or re-raising) raisees without a near nut hand you are missing out on monstrous amounts of value--ESPECIALLY in loose passive low stakes games. I also don't agree in playing by a chart, though they are usefull, a chart cannot tell you how to deal wtih different table textures, the mood of the table, and your table image. | |
07-18-2006 10:14 AM
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lambchopdc wrote: | |
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07-18-2006 10:34 AM
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07-18-2006 10:47 AM
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07-18-2006 04:03 PM
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I didnt read all the drama in this thread, but it got me thinking about harrington's new book, where he goes over post flop play with quizzes can that be comparable to what AOK is trying to do here with his chart? | |
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07-18-2006 04:46 PM
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07-18-2006 05:21 PM
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07-18-2006 05:27 PM
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07-19-2006 12:37 PM
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Bmxicle said "Poker is so much more a game of instinct and "feeling" than anything else, you can outline some basic concepts for beginners in a chart or a system, but by doing this you are also limiting them, they are not learning to "feel" the game." |
07-19-2006 02:07 PM
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07-19-2006 02:10 PM
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07-19-2006 02:17 PM
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07-19-2006 02:38 PM
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np biondino | |
07-19-2006 07:16 PM
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dear Anthony, | |
07-19-2006 08:26 PM
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07-19-2006 08:29 PM
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To this day I never noticed that there was a pancake with an ftr logo on that rabbit in his avatar. | |
07-20-2006 12:25 AM
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next to the thongs | |
07-20-2006 12:26 AM
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07-20-2006 12:31 AM
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07-20-2006 12:32 AM
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What is the difference between TAGG and "PAGG" | |
07-20-2006 12:33 AM
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How many hands lifetime have you played and at what winrate? | |
07-20-2006 01:15 AM
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07-20-2006 01:22 AM
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07-20-2006 01:32 AM
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07-20-2006 01:41 AM
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07-27-2006 09:20 AM
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I have been using the 19 hand system for the last few days and have been doing great. I love it. |
07-27-2006 10:03 AM
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I just read a bit further down this thread and must say I did get a good laugh at all the "pros' cutting up the 19 hand system. |
07-27-2006 11:02 AM
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07-27-2006 01:23 PM
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07-27-2006 02:14 PM
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07-27-2006 02:27 PM
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Touche. If you'd like to actually make a constructive argument though, I think we'd all like to hear it. | |
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07-29-2006 03:54 AM
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07-29-2006 11:59 AM
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OK guys it's time for me to post here. | |
07-29-2006 12:04 PM
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Do I believe AOK's system could make money? | |
07-29-2006 06:16 PM
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AOK should use those stats for his site. | |
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07-29-2006 06:29 PM
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07-30-2006 01:20 AM
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DaNutsInYoEye, as an experienced player, would you rather: |
07-30-2006 01:49 AM
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07-30-2006 04:18 AM
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07-30-2006 05:42 AM
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joining late. i think that the problem with a postflop 'system' that says if x, then y, is that it robs the new player of the experience of analysing the situation and deciding what to do (right or wrong). it is really the thought process behind what you do post flop, and not what you actually do that is important. so following a system will not actually help you improve at all. I know for me personally my game took a giant leap forward when i finally started to A)put people on a range of hands and play against that range B)fully think out my play for the hand, both on this street and on later streets. |
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07-30-2006 10:38 AM
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DaNutsInYoEye I would be interested in how you would exploit a 19 hand player so easily. |
07-30-2006 10:58 AM
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07-30-2006 10:59 AM
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Is the 19 hand System only a Chart? (Let’s learn to Play Golf!) |
07-30-2006 11:12 AM
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07-30-2006 09:29 PM
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the fact is that pretty much anyone can beat tables like that. easily. | |
07-30-2006 10:53 PM
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to take your golf analogy a little further (even though it isnt really an apt analogy, it will suffice i think), you could look at the driving range as the preflop portion of the game. its pretty straightforward when you start out. you start with the basics, and then you can build on them later. you get a good swing, a good stance, grip, etc. this isnt to say that the drive (preflop) isnt complex, because it is, but it is a lot easier to just get the basics down. you can have a decent game hustling people at the driving range if all you did was practice that. if you want to really be able to play golf well, you need to learn how to play the short game. this is what separates the good from the great (also the pretty bad from the horrendous). this is post flop play. |
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