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    Hey guys whats going on? I am new to the FTR site and was attracted here by the great poker videos... My question is I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction or perhaps give me some help with my strategy....

    Currently I am playing micro blinds and attempting to build a bankroll... I made an initial deposit of 30 (July 1) and I am up to 40 now, however it is going very slowly... I am not new to poker, however I have been experimenting with my strategy... Currently on the micro tables I am playing what I believe is a tight aggresive strategy. I am using Poker Tracker to analyze my stats and currently I am running at 15.44/7.02 VPIP/PFR... How would you guys say this looks like?

    I am generally raising 4x BB + 1 BB for each limper into the pot.... And overall I do well but keep seeing my gains wiped out by some bad beat....

    I am also noticing on poker tracker that I am getting taken to the cleaners specifically with AJo.... How do you guys approach AJo? I have been raising it when in position...

    Well anyways... thats my problem, hope to hear from you guys and good luck to everyone... BTW if you need me to elaborate anymore please let me know... I am always looking to improve.
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    Are you playing full ring or 6max?
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    Sorry I should have specified that.... I am playing full ring games.... also I am experimenting at the .02/.05 cent blinds and .05/.10 until I can build the bankroll...

    By the way since I made this post I moved up to 50$... big win w/ AA...
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    You actually seem like a decent player... with bad discipline...

    about the bankroll, I know it's pretty hard to stick to bankroll guidelines but it's definitely the safest way to move up through the limits, with 50$ it'll be hard to play 10NL especially if you lose 3 buy-ins, I'd definitely play 2NL until at least 75$ before you move up to 5NL... and that's considerred rather risky but at least you'll have 15 buy-ins at 5NL which shouldn't be too bad. A bad run of cards and you could definitely be broke at 10NL even if you are a winning player. Here's my favorite article I've ever read on BR management http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-art...gement-2425952

    About your stats, I think you don't raise enough preflop. I play 6max and nearly never raise behind a bettor with that... somehow though my PFR% is still 15... probably because I open 50%+ of my range on the button but am extremely tight in almost any other position (showing how important position is).
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    75 is really the absolute bottom of the range, and if you decide to move to 5NL at exactly 75, you should immediately move down again when you loose one buy-in. You should set the floor and ceiling a little bit apart. Move up when you hit 80, move down when you hit 75. Move to 10NL when you have 180, move down again when you hit 150.
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    I say switch to 6max and play 5NL until you are rolled for 10NL, then continue with 10NL 6max.

    Your AJo won't run so bad at 6max
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    What do you guys think about the whole 19 starting hands strategy I have read on the Poker Strategy section of this site? I have more or less been playing those 19 hands plus maybe a few more in good position... But one thing I am noticing is that I am losing large chunks of money by raising up hands like KJ.... Interestingly enough the 19 hands strategy reccomends that you call w/ KJ... that might save me some money on these micro tables, where the fishies are less apt to fold ....
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    Actually one other thing too.... Over a 2,500 hand sample on both .01/.02 and .02/.05 I am crushing the .02/.05 and I just can't seem to lock any large gains on the .01/.02 level.... Do you guys have any explenation for that? I am playing the exact same strategy on both.....
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    in FR I'd only open KJ on BU, maybe CO, and if someone openned before me, I'd definitely be wary of calling behind even on BU, I'd fold to tighter players. I'm definitely not opening KJ in anything other than CO or BU though (unless it was suited)

    Position is a lot more important than just a few cards though... I mean I would open 53s on BU (in 6max at least)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuckEm
    Actually one other thing too.... Over a 2,500 hand sample on both .01/.02 and .02/.05 I am crushing the .02/.05 and I just can't seem to lock any large gains on the .01/.02 level.... Do you guys have any explenation for that? I am playing the exact same strategy on both.....
    variance... and the fact that in 2NL ppl are even bigger calling stations... and pretty much every player is a level 0 thinker, so playing passively with marginal hands is better, whilst stepping up the agression with strong hands is also better
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuckEm
    Actually one other thing too.... Over a 2,500 hand sample on both .01/.02 and .02/.05 I am crushing the .02/.05 and I just can't seem to lock any large gains on the .01/.02 level.... Do you guys have any explenation for that? I am playing the exact same strategy on both.....
    too small of a sample to be significant
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    hey miracleriver don't make me bust out my econometrics skills and run a regression on your ass to test for significance.... Lol jk, your probably right.... I am logging about 4 hours a day right now and studying for about 2.... I am spending a lot of time looking at what hands are winning at these blinds and what raises work the best.

    So far it appears that ultra preflop aggression at these blinds is not the best strategy, in other words lets say I am in a hand and there are 2 limpers, rather than raising the usual 4x BB + 1 BB for each limper I have been just raising 4xBB... I am seeing much greater yields this strategy.

    Also one other thing I have noticed that was a weekness in my game is the overvaluing of hands like AJ, I have come down to earth on how good this hand is... And I am already seeing a profit turned on the hand rather than a loss.

    Finally, one other little strategy I have been using that has paid off HUGE for me so far, is limping with AX suited and getting on a flush draw if there are many limpers... The key here for me is knowing when to lay down... and not attempting to use this play if there are few limpers. I stacked off two guys last night with this strategy.

    One final note... this site (PokerStars) (not sure if we can mention names) seems to have many more tight players than what I am used to... doesn't make sense seeing as how high volume of players usually makes for more fish...
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    FIrst off, welcome to FTR. Hope you find what you need here and continue to develop as a player.

    Secondly, you seem to already be on the right track as far as playing AND studying, then reviewing sessions to see if you made +ev moves or not, as that is all we are concerned with.

    The first things you will need to worry about is Bankroll Management. Please do not attempt to play 5nl, 10nl right now with your BR. Play 2nl until at least $80ish (I would recommend $100) then bump up to 5nl. This follows the 20 buyin rule. After beating 5nl you can jump to 10nl at around $200ish or so. But no matter what remember to drop down when you hit a snag and drop a few buyins (which at times it will happen).

    As far as FR stats, those aren't bad at all. The only thing is you are probably limping too many hands. It's okay to limp in late position with hands that play well in multiway pots behind other limpers, but you don't want to be limping too much in other positions. And as far as AJo goes, I generally begin opening it in MP, and I'll toss it to a reraise preflop as there is a good chance your playing a dominated hand in that case. Postflop, Don't get too eager to stack off with it wihtout hitting the flop hard or being pretty certain you have the best hand.

    As far as the 19 hand starting guide. I'm pretty sure it isn't well liked around here. Reason being is it doesn't do to much to develop you as a situationally aware poker player. I would advise reading Renton's 169 hand guide here:

    http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...st-t65040.html

    And I agree that it's your smallish sample size that is yeilding the "confusing" results. While to be completely honest the play sucks at both 2nl and 5nl equally, so playing the same game will probably yeild the same results over the long run.

    As far as the only raising 4xbb, and not adding in a bb per limper, I don't agree with this. At 2nl and your tight strategy you should be miles ahead of a huge majority of the limpers range when you decide to raise. Therefore, you should be getting as much money in the pot as possible while ahead. Also you are probably giving correct implied odds with alot of hands. Charge them to see the flop with thier small pocket pairs, suited connectors, and trash. If you have 2 limpers and raise 4xbb, there is a good chance you won't get the hand Heads-Up and in the majority of cases, that is what we want, a headups pot.
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    With regards to the "getting as much money into the pot while ahead..."

    Thats what I was doing .... problem was... I was getting folded around to, too often when I raised over 4x BB and taking down a whopping .07$ pot... While odds are when I do get called, I brick the flop and then I get in a tough position where the donk is ramming a pot size bet down my throat and I am stuck holding high card....

    What my problem is, is post flop play.... Its easy to play a bunch of good cards pre flop... But post flop is where the real money is made in my opinion.
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    Postflop play is where a player is defined. There is tons of preflop starting hands guide, and while they aren't things rarely are in poker, they are a pretty solid beginner's foothold. Postflop play is a different ballgame, and I'm still not fully understanding it. But if you want to start you have to do your reading, and play more. Read that Renton's guide I linked to. Then read all topics regarding postflop play at this link (hell read everything relevant to your game, but make sure you get to 3-betting, floating, etc).

    [url]http://www.pr0crast.com/2+2.NL.Anthology.v1.htm[url]

    But the majority of your money is gonna be by making a good hand (TPTK, 2pr, etc) then betting every street and having them call you down with bottom pair or ace high. HONESTLY. Don't c-bet the guys that don't fold unless you have a hand. Just give them the smallish pot, rather than putting in a PSB on the flop and having to give it up on the turn unimproved. Don't check/call, lead turn, or check/raise those guys though either. If you have a hand, BET it. Sure sometimes they will fold, but a good majority of the time they will come along for the ride.
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    I am gonna give that site a read tonight that you gave me the link for... I really appreciate your thoughts XXstack... I hope I can imrpove on my post flop play here and join you in the 10NL games soon... (with luck though you'll be at the 25NL by then... good luck with that)
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    posting in a bankroll thread without being bankrolled
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