That was my point the whole time, that we cant predict with 100% accuracy when, how, where. I never said pot odds werent a good thing to follow, maybe some of you where misinterpreting what i was talking about. This whole thread was just thoughts, not arguments not proves not anything. Rambling on, thats it, a bunch of what ifs? I was talking about why we take odds into consideration when we could hit any out at any time. Its obviously more profitable to play with them and im not arguing that point, and all theories are not mathematical proofs. The world is flat was a theory that had no mathematical proofs in it at all. The mathematical def of proof is that in a perfect world this is what is supposed to happen. Its a hypothesis, a best educated guess.