Official Noob HU Tournament Thread

[dranger7070]

Notice: You MUST PM me the final hands of every match. I need the verification that each match was played. If you pull out of the tournament, please PM or post on here to let me know. Thanks and good luck all!

Matchups: Located at this link: http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cf...313065&tclass=

Tournament Dates are as follows:

All monies must be shipped to Muzzard (look below for stars sn) by Saturday, March 14th. I will also post matchups at this time.

Tournament will start on Sunday March 15th at 12am EST. All matchups must be played out by Wednesday at 12am EST(Tuesday night).


Rules and whatnot:

Number of Entrants: 16

(Lets just keep this one a 16 man to kick it off. If it goes pretty smoothly, and I think it will, we can try a 32 next, then 64, etc, etc.)

Buy in: $5

Brackets: Selected at random in the same fashion as the other tournament. (Players are given a # corresponding to the # they signed up to the tourney, and they will be plugged into random.org's generator. Example: I would be #1 next person would be #2, etc.)

Tournament Play:
-Play money HU 1/2 tables on Stars.
-200bb deep, no reload/auto-top feature obviously.
-Best of three matches. First person to lose their stack twice is knocked out.
-3 days to play your 3 matches. (Example: Scheduled to start Sunday you have until Tuesday at midnight (wednesday morning) to complete. Wednesday we get the results, reseed and you have from Thursday til Saturday to play next match, etc.)

Payouts: 50/30/20, 3rd place will be decided by the semifinal losers playing a best of 3 match. Winner obviously gets 3rd.

To sign up just put I'm in and I'll keep track of who is signed up on this original post.

Escrow:
Pokerstars: Muzzard (poker_muzz is pokerstars name)
(Thanks for offering XTR)

Pretty much all we have to do is confirm who is definitely playing on the list below, if you want to play in this don't hesitate to sign up still because someone may not want to play, and decide to drop out. We have already had two people drop out, so don't hesitate to apply, theres a decent chance you can still get a spot.

We also have to decide on a date, but that can be negotiated later. Will have to be starting on or after the 15th, though.

Good luck everyone and hope to see you come out!

Signed up:

1.) dranger7070-shipped
2.) Outlaw-shipped
3.) kfaess-shipped
4.) Carroters-shipped
5.) Taicho-shipped
6.) mrhappy333-shipped
7.) Micro2Macro-shipped
8.) JR9477-shipped
9.) Illfavor -shipped
10.) amifat-shipped
11.) settecba-shipped
12.) Pig_Vomit-shipped
13.) BooG690-shipped
14.) iopq-shipped
15.) sil693-shipped
16.) Muzzard-shipped

*Bold text- you have confirmed you are playing. Regular text you have to confirm.
**Once you have shipped your $5 to muzzard, please post on here and I will put "dranger7070-shipped" so we know who is playing for sure, and who has paid.

Alternate(s):
3.) lockpull
4.) OhBollocks
5.) connectthesuitors
6.) flomo
7.) wilburforce
8.) Erpel

[sil693]

in. 1/2 stars play money tables w 200bb, play 3 tables until someone is bust on two seems good.

[Illfavor]

I am in. I'd say a $5 buy-in is a good number. I'm not sure if we'd get 32 entrants, and obv. 16 would facilitate a quicker beginning to the tournament. I agree that 1 week per match is too long. I think we could go Sun.-Tues. for a match, collect results and reseed/rematch up on Wed., go again on Thurs.- Sat, etc. With this format it would take ~2 weeks with 16 players and this could become a more frequent event so ppl wouldn't feel left out if they couldn't get in this time.

Prize split something like 55-30-15 percent or something? (obv 3/4 place players would play to settle who gets 3rd prize money)

I like the idea of the play money tables as well.

So 16 man, 2 week, 5$ imo.

[Muzzard]

I'm in. $10 imo

[amifat]

im in $5 is good.

[Muzzard]

Once BI has been agreed I'd be happy to be the escrow on stars

[Keith]

how about making it so that in a 16 man $5 tourney
round 1 winners get 2$ for the win
round 2 winners get 5$ for the win
round 3 winners get 10$ for the win
final winner gets 24$ for the win

so 1st gets $41
2nd gets $17
3/4 gets $7
5-8 gets 2$

I'm up for anything between $5 and $100
so I wouldn't be against $10 either

but $1 seems too low
Keith_MM: if you cash 5-8 you get less than what you bought in for? lol

[Keith]

alternative could be 5$ for winners of each round and 10$ for winning the final.
i.e 1st gets $25
2nd get 15
3-4 get $10
5-8 get $5

this would mean all the round 1 winners would break even for the tournament and then just fighting for the cash.

[sil693]

alternative could be 5$ for winners of each round and 10$ for winning the final.
i.e 1st gets $25
2nd get 15
3-4 get $10
4-8 get $5

this would mean all the round 1 winners would break even for the tournament and then just fighting for the cash.

what is the point?

how are we going to play play money heads up?

[XTR1000]

Escrows:
Pokerstars: Muzzard (although I would prefer someone who wasn't in tournament)
Full Tilt: ?

I could handle the Ft mobnies for u

[sil693]

how are we going to play play money heads up?

stars has 1/2 HU play money tables.

[Muzzard]

how are we going to play play money heads up?

stars has 1/2 HU play money tables.

+1

[Keith]

alternative could be 5$ for winners of each round and 10$ for winning the final.
i.e 1st gets $25
2nd get 15
3-4 get $10
4-8 get $5

this would mean all the round 1 winners would break even for the tournament and then just fighting for the cash.

what is the point?

well considering that dranger put the following

Edit: Thanks to illfavor for a bunch of great suggestions. Keep them coming guys.

So I thought I'd make some suggestions . This way at every stage of the tournament you are directly playing for prize money for winning the particular heads up match. With the 50/30/20 split everyone who cashs has to win 3 heads up matches.You might just as well have a 5$ buyin MTT and top 3 split the prize money.

[dranger7070]

alternative could be 5$ for winners of each round and 10$ for winning the final.
i.e 1st gets $25
2nd get 15
3-4 get $10
5-8 get $5

this would mean all the round 1 winners would break even for the tournament and then just fighting for the cash.

Nah, I mean, its not a TERRIBLE idea but I'm playing a tournament to get 1st and I would feel cheated playing only to get $25 knowing that guys that got knocked out in the 2nd round are still getting moniez that should MINE .

With a 50/30/20 payout (assuming $5 BI) it would go $40/$24/$16 which is a lot more fair. Everyone gets a decent sum for making it as far as they did. We could even make it 40/25/15 to make it even lol.

And iopq, this is supposed to be a NOOB HU tournament lol, most of us can't afford $25+ BI's imo, although I do agree that $1 is too low. I like the sound of a $5 BI but $10 wouldn't be unreasonable.

Also, I read on the other HU tournament thread that they were going to play 1/2 HU with play money on Pokerstars, so I naturally assumed that there were HU tables lol. My mistake. New system imo.

Suggestions?

[sil693]

how are we going to play play money heads up?

stars has 1/2 HU play money tables.

[dranger7070]

Ok, sil693 I just tried to open pokerstars and find the HU tables on for play money on stars, but failed epically apparently. Directions imo?

[Muzzard]

Ok, sil693 I just tried to open pokerstars and find the HU tables on for play money on stars, but failed epically apparently. Directions imo?

holdem/playmoney/nolimit.

Filter 1 on 1

[dranger7070]

Ah, yea I did all that Muzz, but I had to go into options and click "Show Play Money Tables" lol. God I suck at life. Thanks

200bb on 1/2 at Pokerstars is a go at least.

Not sure about full tilt.

[sil693]

stars all the way imo.

fwiw i have no problem w muzz being the escrow for stars even though he's in the tournament.

[Muzzard]

Ah, yea I did all that Muzz, but I had to go into options and click "Show Play Money Tables" lol. God I suck at life. Thanks

200bb on 1/2 at Pokerstars is a go at least.

Not sure about full tilt.

Would be easier if everyone played on the same site. I'm not 100% that all players on the list have Stars, but I'm pretty sure that most of em do.

I think stars 200bb HU best out of 3 is goot. 50/30/20 is fine by me. Just got to agree on the buy-in now. I think $5 or $10 is goot, pref $10 but I understand some of the participants only haz small rolls.

[dranger7070]

Ok since it seems like all 3 of us (Muzz, me and sil lol) want to have it all on pokerstars i think thats how it should be set up. It just makes it easier, especially if someone that only has a FT account and a person that only has a pokerstars account get paired.

Pokerstars only it is. I'll make proper edits.

Ill set up a poll for $5 or $10 BI if I can edit this post that way...

[Keith]

Dranger wrote

And iopq, this is supposed to be a NOOB HU tournament lol, most of us can't afford $25+ BI's imo, although I do agree that $1 is too low. I like the sound of a $5 BI but $10 wouldn't be unreasonable.

The NOOB bit is why I suggested it in that at least the noobs have a 50% chance of at least breaking even. Looking down the list of entrants there are some well established members taking part with decent bankrolls. My money would be on IOPQ winning it since he has a lot of HU experience or at least I seem to remember reading that . THe noobs taking on the better players will likely just be burning their buyin and if they have to get through 4 or 5 of the established players in order to cash its set up to pillage their small starting bankrolls.

[sil693]

Dranger wrote

And iopq, this is supposed to be a NOOB HU tournament lol, most of us can't afford $25+ BI's imo, although I do agree that $1 is too low. I like the sound of a $5 BI but $10 wouldn't be unreasonable.

The NOOB bit is why I suggested it in that at least the noobs have a 50% chance of at least breaking even. Looking down the list of entrants there are some well established members taking part with decent bankrolls. My money would be on IOPQ winning it since he has a lot of HU experience or at least I seem to remember reading that . THe noobs taking on the better players will likely just be burning their buyin and if they have to get through 4 or 5 of the established players in order to cash its set up to pillage their small starting bankrolls.

you're not even listed as playing??

[Muzzard]

Dranger wrote

And iopq, this is supposed to be a NOOB HU tournament lol, most of us can't afford $25+ BI's imo, although I do agree that $1 is too low. I like the sound of a $5 BI but $10 wouldn't be unreasonable.

The NOOB bit is why I suggested it in that at least the noobs have a 50% chance of at least breaking even. Looking down the list of entrants there are some well established members taking part with decent bankrolls. My money would be on IOPQ winning it since he has a lot of HU experience or at least I seem to remember reading that . THe noobs taking on the better players will likely just be burning their buyin and if they have to get through 4 or 5 of the established players in order to cash its set up to pillage their small starting bankrolls.

you're not even listed as playing??

lolol

[dranger7070]

Keith, this isn't JUST for guys grinding 2nl/5nl lol. "Noob" refers to a wide range of players and the noob aspect of this tournament is for those who want to play a HU tournament, but DON'T want to play for the $100 BI that the other one had. So basically anyone can join, including griffey or badgers or someone who has a huge roll and is playing 1knl regularly. It just doesn't matter.

And if $5 is going to and I quote, "pillage their roll" I won't allow them to take place, I will take an alternate off the list to play in their spot because they are obviously not rolled for this tournament.

I voted for $5 lol because I don't care that much either way, but I realize that other people will have a problem participating if it's $10

and yeah I had the hide play money tables turned on lol

[JR9477]

The setup sounds pretty good so far, thank you to those who are setting this up.

There are some highly respected players currently, but nowhere near as intimidating as the $100HU list.

[Keith]

And if $5 is going to and I quote, "pillage their roll" I won't allow them to take place, I will take an alternate off the list to play in their spot because they are obviously not rolled for this tournament.

so what if i'm not in this tournament it doesn't mean that I wouldnt be in any future tournaments , therefore I feel I have an equal input into ideas for it.
With regards to rolls my main concern is for xpaand who according to his sig has 30$ in his BR .When it was 1$-5$ buyin being suggested and noobs then he had every right to be in it when it was at the lower end of that range. Now the experienced players are in it and suggesting a higher buyin I don't think that its fair on him.he's registered an interest and he'll probably say that its fine as a learning experience but its not exactly promoting bankroll management and was the reason for my comment about pillageing their rolls. edit: checked ArcadianRocks banner and that says a 27$ bankroll

well he's honestly under-rolled for 2NL :O

[dranger7070]

It will suck if xpaand isn't able to participate, but I'm not going to reformat an entire tournament for one player. This thread has only been open for a couple hours (if that) and more people will likely sign up as alternates. If I (or anyone else) feels that someone's roll is inadequate (as xpaands is) he will be taken off the list.

Its not like there wont' be another one ever. Besides, I think that this tournament will end up being a $5 BI one. In the future we can probably up the ante a little bit if some more players would like to, but for now I (and probly the majority of the others that will be participating) will want to keep it small just to see how it plays out. If its a $5 BI I have no problem allowing xpaand to play if he feels like risking that much of his roll on this, but if its $10 I will cut him. That simple imo.

[sil693]

just make it $5 to cut all the BS imo. makes life easier. (i voted $10 so its not like i REALLY want it to be $5, but it will probably make things easier).

[Muzzard]

just make it $5 to cut all the BS imo. makes life easier. (i voted $10 so its not like i REALLY want it to be $5, but it will probably make things easier).

This

[dranger7070]

Rofl ok. Since Muzzard and sil seem to be the only ones who want to cut through the crap and get down to brass tacks, will do. $5 it is.

I'll go and edit. The only thing we SORT of have to decide on now is the payout structure, but I think we can just have 50/30/20 and call it good.

Sound good everyone?

[sil693]

50/30/20 yeah.

also, props to dranger for setting this up.

[Muzzard]

I agree with either payout structure:

55/35/10 or 50/30/20

[dranger7070]

50/30/20 yeah.

also, props to dranger for setting this up.

Well, Outlaw is the one who really got the ball rolling, I just decided to make all the lists and whatnot since he didn't seem to forthcoming about it, but thanks .

I figured I don't make my presence known on this site very often (I hang around my own blog too much ) and thought it would be fun to get out there and mix it up with some of you guys, and I've been wanting to play some HU lately anyways.

Also, pretty much the final version of the rules and stuff are posted now. Just gotta make sure that everyone on the list is gonna be willing to play.

[Muzzard]

All we need now is the 16 players to say they agree to the terms and start shipping.

I agree! Monies shipped to myself. lildogz

[kfaess]

Damn I didn't have internet for a few days and I missed this! O well I guess I'm in as an alternate?

[mrhappy333]

I'm in too if you need another alternate. My money is Goot.

[dranger7070]

Can always use more alternates. Most of the people on the list aren't even locks as of now. They just stated in another thread that they would be interested.

[Muzzard]

Can always use more alternates. Most of the people on the list aren't even locks as of now. They just stated in another thread that they would be interested.

i just PMed everyone on the list to sign up.

btw what time of day are we playing at and how are we going to contact the people

I mean are there going to be scheduling conflicts, are people going to sleep in and miss their arranged times, etc? I know I miss most of the FTR tourneys even though I want to play in all of them

[dranger7070]

Um, once you get your opponent for that rounds bracket you guys can really play whenever you want within the 3 days you are alloted per round.

Although, for proof, I think the deciding (final) hands should be posted or PMed to me just so I don't hear that "o we never played, he never beat me," etc.

Its not a perfect system, but it should suffice. Once we set a date, and everyone's money has been shipped and confirmed by muzz ill set up the brackets then post on here to let everyone know then we kick it off.

[JR9477]

At this point do we need to just confirm here, when should we begin shipping the buy-ins?
I'm in

[dranger7070]

Yes I would like everyone that is on the list (the top 16 that is) to confirm whether or not they are in, and you can begin shipping the money whenever you like, I'm probly gonna hold off until I get back from spring break on sunday though.

[BooG690]

Thanks for holding my spot guys. I was working on my Operations post (shameless plug). I'm in there like swimwear. Pretty excited to part of this. Sorry I didn't post sooner but hold my spot.

So I understand Muzzard is the "escrow." I was never familiar with this term but I'm assuming that just means he holds the money and pays out properly. That sounds about fine. I guess I will be shipping the money when the dates are set. Is that OK?

[LuckySlevin]

*sigh* i'm reluctantly pulling out, it's the *disciplined* thing to do. I'm no where near rolled for $5 16 man HU tournements at the moment. I'll be there next time for sure. So one of the reserves can have my spot!

Good luck all!

[Muzzard]

btw, when you do ship it is poker_muzz on stars (winsford)

I'm in

[Keith]

Just as an idea fo expanding this in the future would be having seperate tourneys maybe on a monthly or bi monthly basis . 2NL and 5NL players would then be eligible to enter the lowest level tourney with say 1$ buyins. 10/25/50 NL players could then have say a $10 buyin tourney and 100NL+ players could be in the main 100$ buyin one. Winners of the two lower level tourneys would then get a satellite entry into the next tourney up the following month.

[ArcadianRock]

Sorry guys you're gonna have to count me out, my BR just won't allow it at the moment at $26. Once I build it up though I'll do it next time.

[BooG690]

I was thinking about the buy-in which is $5 and the fact that we will be playing on play money tables. This would also be my first HU tourney on a forum. If agreed to by the two players in a bracket, would it be OK for them to play at, say, a $2+.20 HU SnG or would that complicate things? I am just curious if that is possible...

[Muzzard]

I was thinking about the buy-in which is $5 and the fact that we will be playing on play money tables. This would also be my first HU tourney on a forum. If agreed to by the two players in a bracket, would it be OK for them to play at, say, a $2+.20 HU SnG or would that complicate things? I am just curious if that is possible...

No becuase the blinds increase on those things and you won't have 200bb so it'll be a completely diff game. Also this way you won't have to pay any rake.

[BooG690]

I was thinking about the buy-in which is $5 and the fact that we will be playing on play money tables. This would also be my first HU tourney on a forum. If agreed to by the two players in a bracket, would it be OK for them to play at, say, a $2+.20 HU SnG or would that complicate things? I am just curious if that is possible...

No becuase the blinds increase on those things and you won't have 200bb so it'll be a completely diff game. Also this way you won't have to pay any rake.

Gotcha...thanks.

[dranger7070]

I was thinking about the buy-in which is $5 and the fact that we will be playing on play money tables. This would also be my first HU tourney on a forum. If agreed to by the two players in a bracket, would it be OK for them to play at, say, a $2+.20 HU SnG or would that complicate things? I am just curious if that is possible...

No becuase the blinds increase on those things and you won't have 200bb so it'll be a completely diff game. Also this way you won't have to pay any rake.

This.

Just play the play money tables lol. Its not like they are that hard to find or get a table on.

[settecba]

im in as an alternate

[lockpull]

Sounds good. Im in for $5.

[OhBollocks]

If theres sufficient interest to make this a 32 man tourny, Id be in.

As is, put me down as a substitute. Im up for sidebets too if Im in.

Nice work guys

[dranger7070]

Wow, this is getting a lot of good response! I like it! lol. Too bad everyone who plays this thing is gonna get owned by iopq lol

[OhBollocks]

Wow, this is getting a lot of good response! I like it! lol. Too bad everyone who plays this thing is gonna get owned by iopq lol

rofl

[kfaess]

$5 shipped to poker_muzz (winsford)

[dranger7070]

If anyone wants to get in some HU practice or something on the play money tables, just shoot me a PM and we can set something up. God knows I could use it.

[Muzzard]

$5 shipped to poker_muzz (winsford)

confirmed

Hello Poker_Muzz,
We have transferred $5.00 to your account as requested by 'kfaess'.
Good luck to you both.

Regards,
PokerStars Cashier

[Outlaw]

I'm in.

Sorry I didn't take the initiative to set it up.. I only get about an hour a day to play poker and it really wasn't my intention to be the gamemaster or whatever. I just wanted a chance to play in something. As it is I am underolled for this, but since I am making $3.50 an hour at 2NL I am going to swing it.

Since the point of this is bragging rights anyways and not to gank each others rolls, I like the top 8 payout structure with 5-8 getting some money back but most of the money still being at the top.

Thanks for organizing this, Dranger!

O

[dranger7070]

rofl "gamemaster"

[BooG690]

I just played in a $5+$.25 4-table HU tourney and...JEEZ, HU is a totally different game. I won and all...but am going to need to get more practice rounds in. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Is there a way to invite a specific player to a HU tourney (without having the create a tournament function) or is it always going to be a random?

[Muzzard]

Hello Poker_Muzz,

We have transferred $5.00 to your account as requested by 'JR9477'.

Hello Poker_Muzz,

We have transferred $5.00 to your account as requested by 'triplej74'.

TrippleJ= outlaw

[Outlaw]

rofl "gamemaster"

I didn't know what else to call it. How about Dungeon Master (kinky)? Or ringmaster, since we are all n00b clowns anyways.

I really like the idea of this, by the way. We could do one table cash game eliminations as well like in poker after dark. (play money of course) with a small prize for winner take all.. say $9?

Could make a small stakes league out of it and keep point totals like the gauntlet?

Any of the above sounds fun.. could just make a couple of regular games a week and have everyone play in X games during a X week season. Winner of the league gets FTR prize/Entry into a stars step sng or something.. anything works.

Anyone motivated to organize this type of thing? (I wish I had the time) It'd be great to analyze hands from it on the forums.. the learning process would be better since multiple FTR peeps were involved in the action.

[Taicho]

I'm in, sent the $5 to poker_muzz.

[BooG690]

rofl "gamemaster"

I didn't know what else to call it. How about Dungeon Master (kinky)? Or ringmaster, since we are all n00b clowns anyways.

I really like the idea of this, by the way. We could do one table cash game eliminations as well like in poker after dark. (play money of course) with a small prize for winner take all.. say $9?

Could make a small stakes league out of it and keep point totals like the gauntlet?

Any of the above sounds fun.. could just make a couple of regular games a week and have everyone play in X games during a X week season. Winner of the league gets FTR prize/Entry into a stars step sng or something.. anything works.

Anyone motivated to organize this type of thing? (I wish I had the time) It'd be great to analyze hands from it on the forums.. the learning process would be better since multiple FTR peeps were involved in the action.

All sound like great ideas. I wish I knew how this kind of stuff worked so I can help...but I don't. I WOULD like to understand how so I can host and do these things in the future. If anybody would be interested in informing me on how these tourneys and games are run, [OfficeSpace]that'd be greeattt[/OfficeSpace].

[Muzzard]

I'm in, sent the $5 to poker_muzz.

confirmed

Hello Poker_Muzz,
We have transferred $5.00 to your account as requested by 'Taicho'.

[BooG690]

Jeez...everybody's sending their buy-ins already, eh? I just sent mine then. Don't want to lose my spot.

[Muzzard]

Jeez...everybody's sending their buy-ins already, eh? I just sent mine then. Don't want to lose my spot.

Hello Poker_Muzz,
We have transferred $5.00 to your account as requested by 'BooG690'.