PF 3bet OOP and hitting resistance @ 5NL

Originally Posted by daviddem

H1: If he does it with AA,QQ,AKs,AKo, you have 33.7% equity against this range Pot odds are 32% so it is a very slim call. If he has any AQ it's a fold because your equity drops to 27.7%. So if you have the slightest doubt that he may have AQ, just fold.

Why are you 3 betting AK pre against a 8/6 UTG raise? He's not folding many better hands and he's folding all his worse hands. I'd flat and wake up if I hit an A or K. Plus the button is there too, so there is a good chance that you will have to play a 3 bet pot OOP without a made hand on the flop. I also think your preflop 3b sizing is too small, would make it like 0.8. As played, I'd bet more on this wet flop, close to pot. Then it would be more of a call when he shoves with AA,QQ,AKs,AKo, because of all the dead money.

This is an obvious hole in my understanding. Its 3way if i flat anyway. AK blows multiway. I want to get this to HU pre, no? HU on the flop i have alot more fold equity.
Why do i want to commit myself to calling a shove? My thinking was that anything i beat is folding to my flop bet. A call/raise and i am crushed given the range i put him on. I want to leave myself an out, no?
Thanks for your comments, mate. I obviously dont have this clear.

Originally Posted by Openside

This is an obvious hole in my understanding. Its 3way if i flat anyway. AK blows multiway. I want to get this to HU pre, no? HU on the flop i have alot more fold equity.
Why do i want to commit myself to calling a shove? My thinking was that anything i beat is folding to my flop bet.

I think the gap in your logic is that you're not understanding why you're betting. Preflop -- is your raise as a bluff or for value? You're not going to fold any hands that crush you (AA/KK) but you are folding most of the hands that you will crush if you hit an A or K (AQo, JJ and lower).

Same goes for the flop -- look at your bolded sentence. You bet into a pot expecting all worse hands to fold and all better hands to call. You aren't betting for value, because no worse hands call. It's not a good bluff, because (a) no better hands fold and (b) not enough of his range folds to make the bet profitable in a vacuum. So where does that leave you? You're just giving away money.

Originally Posted by NightGizmo

I think the gap in your logic is that you're not understanding why you're betting. Preflop -- is your raise as a bluff or for value? You're not going to fold any hands that crush you (AA/KK) but you are folding most of the hands that you will crush if you hit an A or K (AQo, JJ and lower).Same goes for the flop -- look at your bolded sentence. You bet into a pot expecting all worse hands to fold and all better hands to call. You aren't betting for value, because no worse hands call. It's not a good bluff, because (a) no better hands fold and (b) not enough of his range folds to make the bet profitable in a vacuum. So where does that leave you? You're just giving away money.

Im 3betting to get HU and for info. Point taken, by 3betting for info im folding everything i beat.
Any thoughts on why villain took the line he did?