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 Originally Posted by Robb
Originally Posted by littleogre
Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms
Having a shorty in the pot makes this call tougher than you think. they can really screw up your chances of stacking the big stack, and remember, if you don't stack him almost 100% of the time when making a 10:1 call. You don't just account for when you hit your set, but what about the times you hit your set and still lose? If he fails to stack off once, and times you hit your set, you will get set over setted, or beat by a better hand, this all adds to the calculations.
this is one of the reasons why i hate short stackers. I tried to explain it to a poster at another forum but he was to dumb to understand and got all defensive so i gave up.
Short stackers are polarized - either good at using their short stacks (small fraction) or complete idiots whose real odds (since they play complete crap) are good enough we don't need implied odds. It's hard to tell which ones are just bad before they go broke. So I get pretty frustrated with shorties myself.
About Jyms comment, we also add some value to our pp for a cbet someo f the 6 or 7 time we miss the set and it's checked to us with a dry flop, so that's one reason 10x can be a decent rule. A lot of villains are weak-tight postflop at NL10.
Finally, I' m starting to see why the short stack is potentially screwing things up in this pot, and why the call is dangerous. Thanks for the ideas.
I have heard that good short stackers can be a real pain but at 5 and 2 nl i can tell you i have nver seen one. They are all donktards who shove any ace any pair or any 2 cards with a value of ten or higher. Position is also meaningless to them. Also they never refill as the blinds eat their stack so you will see them at the table with 5xbb or less
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