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    Default river decision

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    saw flop

    MP ($25)
    CO ($41.06)
    Button ($25.70)
    SB ($24.75)
    Hero (BB) ($73.57)
    UTG ($37.15)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with
    UTG bets $0.75, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.50

    Flop: ($1.60) (2 players)
    Hero checks, UTG checks

    Turn: ($1.60) (2 players)
    Hero bets $1, UTG calls $1

    River: ($3.60) (2 players)
    Hero checks, UTG bets $1.30, Hero raises to $3.50, UTG raises to $7, Hero ??






    i'm ok image wise and villain is 18/16 cbet 65% after 80 hands, no reads to go by, he seemed competent..
    any suggestions on different lines anyone, preflop call ok etc etc
    Last edited by voo-doo; 02-28-2011 at 02:54 AM.
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    Has the 10 posts limitation for using the converter/posting HTML code been lifted then?

    Few questions about your hand:
    1) was it your intention to check/raise or check/call the flop?
    2) why are you checking the river?
    3) what range do you put him on for the 1/3rd PSB followed by a 3b on the river on this board and following the action on previous streets?

    Preflop I'd tend to fold vs a TAG UTG raiser. SC's play much better in position. But then, I am a nit.

    edit: oh, and welcome to FTR. And thanks for a properly posted first hand (except missing ranges).
    Last edited by daviddem; 02-28-2011 at 09:04 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daviddem View Post
    Has the 10 posts limitation for using the converter/posting HTML code been lifted then?

    Few questions about your hand:
    1) was it your intention to check/raise or check/call the flop?
    2) why are you checking the river?
    3) what range do you put him on for the 1/3rd PSB followed by a 3b on the river on this board and following the action on previous streets?

    Preflop I'd tend to fold vs a TAG UTG raiser. SC's play much better in position.

    edit: oh, and welcome to FTR. And thanks for a properly posted first hand (except missing ranges).
    LOL tyty tbh i missed the ranges because i'm the utg player
    BB would call any SC , any pair 22-JJ and suited BW's mostly.. he'd widen if cut off or btn opened..
    You dont like my gaybet then? i'd say he viewed me as someone competent lol... he wasn't the type to go berzerk so i was finding extracting his dollars difficult

    there was definitely the phrase gaybet in there at some stage David, where'd it go?
    Last edited by voo-doo; 02-28-2011 at 09:21 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voo-doo View Post
    LOL tyty tbh i missed the ranges because i'm the utg player
    BB would call any SC , any pair 22-JJ and suited BW's mostly.. he'd widen if cut off or btn opened..
    You dont like my gaybet then? i'd say he viewed me as someone competent lol... he wasn't the type to go berzerk so i was finding extracting his dollars difficult

    there was definitely the phrase gaybet in there at some stage David, where'd it go?
    Sorry, don't get it. You crafter the hand history so that villain appears as Hero??? Not sure what the purpose of that is?

    I edited my post after writing gaybet because it is not really a gaybet, 1/3rd PSB is a decent suck in or blocking bet or thin value bet for a river, not like a minbet.

    So if you are UTG, I assume you had the nut flush?
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    Quote Originally Posted by daviddem View Post
    Sorry, don't get it. You crafter the hand history so that villain appears as Hero??? Not sure what the purpose of that is?

    I edited my post after writing gaybet because it is not really a gaybet, 1/3rd PSB is a decent suck in or blocking bet or thin value bet for a river, not like a minbet.

    So if you are UTG, I assume you had the nut flush?
    yep i was utg with AJdd, i wanted to see how others would view my 3bet, his check raise line
    was odd... any one favour a overbet by myself when he checks river?
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    Quote Originally Posted by voo-doo View Post
    yep i was utg with AJdd, i wanted to see how others would view my 3bet, his check raise line
    was odd... any one favour a overbet by myself when he checks river?
    I think you could raise him more. Ask yourself what villain c/r with on the river here? What can villain fold to a $10 bet that he calls to a $7 bet?
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    I would probably fold pre flop, though I'd be much more inclined to call if anyone else came in. Having said that, I don't hate the call. His range for me is something like 88+ AQ+ AJs+

    Flop is fine, I like to bet draws but he raised pre so I'm happy for him to cbet. He checks so we can take away TT+ from his range.

    Turn again is fine, I like the bet size. He calls, so he hasn't got 99 either, he's likely left with heart draws (AJ+) and diamond draws (AJ only).

    River is very interesting. First off, just bet, c/r the river when you make your hand is FPS, just donk into him and he calls his decent hands because people bluff scare cards often enough to entice the call with TPTK, but checking loses value against TPTK against a lot of players, since they check a hand they would call.

    But we c/r, and he 3bets us. His range is now pretty much AdJd and AhJh, although I guess he can have AhKh too if he thinks you are capable of making a big laydown with perhaps KQ or even QQ. but the fact that he 3bet a c/r means I strongly suspect this is AdJd, but even in that event it's merely =ev cooler, since villain always pays in reversed situation. Call and make a note if he hasn't got the nuts.
    Last edited by OngBonga; 02-28-2011 at 09:40 AM.
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    I like a bigger bet size on river (with UTG as hero). Because he can have a set or a flush and will call bigger, but his busted draws are folding regardless. Main point of a small river bet is to attempt to widen villain's calling range, but i think theres less paired hands he's calling with here on this river and more hands that will calll a big bet regardless.
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    does anyone look at stack sizes before a hand like ever? also bet turn bigger plz and dont go apeshit retardo on river
    edit-why did u post from villains perspective...?

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