Set miners

Whats ur though process when it comes to set miners. Is there any way to get away from AA. With such dry boards. How do i reconize one. Or just flame away what ever u feel like typin is fine.

go to the beginners digest, read article "how to spot a set and save your stack"

Post some HH or fake HH if you want. You may get a better idea. If you are getting raised by nits it's time to fold.

They usually look something like this:

^^^Good shit

Get away from thinking about specific hands. Don't get away from AA, think.

You need to develop your ranging skills. In poker there is a limited amount of information, but with this info you can develop a range of possibilities for your opponents. You have to into account what is possible. Nits(rocks) can only have certain hands they will never have 72utd so if board comes 72A you know that most two pair hands are almost impossible. You get better at knowing what is possible by posting hands and practicing putting people on range.


Good luck.

!luck

What scott_own and !luck said, plus it's different at the nanos than at 50nl or something higher. When there's lots of fish playing badly (5nl for example), it's pretty easy to stack off with AA or KK to a massive feesh who flops lucky. It's a bit easier to spot a reg who has a set, since they're less likely to get it all without some kind of decent hand.

Just FYI, I've been around a while and FTR is great about not "flaming away," especially in the BC. Post some HH's where you made a lay down that you feel might have been too nitty, or one where you got it all in with an overpair. Make sure you post your reads with the HH, and see what kind of advice you get - tons of folks around FTR would be willing to give advice - and it's really good advice.

I won't pretend that I know alot about this game, so take this with a grain of salt. When someone check raises or you bet into them and they raise on the flop 2x or 3x and you are holding an overpair they most likely have hit two pair, a set, or have a overpair themselves. These flop raises generally tell me that I am dominated unless I have a set or a strong draw like open end or high flush. I fold to these raises with over pairs unless I have notes that the player thinks overpairs are gold or that they can't get away from TPTK. Like others have said in the micros people will do all types of weird shit. I am kind of rambling but I hope this helps you a little if at all.

Like Kmind wrote, post some HH's and you'll get a much better response. We all can sit here all day and debate about what to do when and where but most of it's really dependent upon reads and so forth.
And yes, if you're getting raised or re-raised by a nit then it's time to drop the overpair.

This GUy was 73/33 after 15 hands. I dont see how u can even begin puttin this guy on a range. its pretty much ATC.

Full Tilt - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $2.00
UTG+1: $0.87
MP: $1.98
MP+1: $3.46
LP: $2.00
CO: $1.89
BTN: $2.00
Hero (SB): $2.01
BB: $2.00

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has K K

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $0.08, fold, Hero raises to $0.24, fold, fold, CO calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.52, 2 players) Q 7 4
Hero bets $0.42, CO calls $0.42

Turn: ($1.36, 2 players) T
Hero bets $1.35 and is all-in, CO calls $1.23 and is all-in

River: ($3.82, 2 players) J

I'll give you a pass on saying it's tough to figure out his range because it is. But, when doing calculations you'll have to put in some sort of range. Anyways, there's no way I am ever getting away from that. Ts isn't my favorite turn card but it isn't the worst either.

It's going to be tougher to get away from overpairs in 3bet pots + vs. loose dumb players

YEa Loose dumb he had 10 7o. Im mean granted ill take his money sooner or later but its so hard to play against guys like this. How do u adjust? Or just keep with my game? But on another note. HOw was my bet sizing. Pre/Post

Originally Posted by PrvtBong

Whats ur though process when it comes to set miners. Is there any way to get away from AA. With such dry boards. How do i reconize one. Or just flame away what ever u feel like typin is fine.

Aside from things other guys said, you can decide, preflop, or postflop, to commit only certain amount of your stack to this pot. If villains raise threats to break that limit, you fold.

Example NL25
Lets assume Fish is a TAG who plays solid ABC.
Both you and Fish have 25$ stacks.
Fish limps for 0.25$. You got AA and raise to 1$.
Fish calls.
Flop comes 27J rainbow. Fish checks, you bet 2.25$, fish calls.
Turn comes 3. Fish checks, you bet 5$, fish raises to 12$.
(if we assume fish didn't raise you, you would also bet 10$ on river, for a total of 18.5$ of your stack committed)

So, what's gonna happen here?
A. You shove. By that you can accomplish that Fish folds stuff like 88-TT, Jx, AQ, AK, and calls you with QQ, KK, maybe AJ. We talking about hands that you can beat now. Though its hard to put him on QQ-KK since he limped preflop, he would more likely have AJ, but he would doubtfully overplay it.

B. You call. And pray for Ace on the river. Regardless the river card, if Fish has a set he will shove the rest of his stack. Even if he doesn't he will try to bluff his way out of this by committing his whole stack. (so if you call you committed 15$ to the pot)

C. You fold. And lost only 8.25$ instead of possible 25$ loss. And though you might be wrong and Fish is exploiting his tight image to outplay you this one time, you know that there will be other pocket aces, those where your villain will call you all the way to the showdown without raising, and in a process give you a big chunk of his stack. But not this time.

And that's how you decide someone has a set.

Or you can put him on ranges and do math and blablabla...

Originally Posted by PrvtBong

This GUy was 73/33 after 15 hands. I dont see how u can even begin puttin this guy on a range. its pretty much ATC.

Full Tilt - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $2.00
UTG+1: $0.87
MP: $1.98
MP+1: $3.46
LP: $2.00
CO: $1.89
BTN: $2.00
Hero (SB): $2.01
BB: $2.00

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has K K

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $0.08, fold, Hero raises to $0.24, fold, fold, CO calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.52, 2 players) Q 7 4
Hero bets $0.42, CO calls $0.42

Turn: ($1.36, 2 players) T
Hero bets $1.35 and is all-in, CO calls $1.23 and is all-in

River: ($3.82, 2 players) J

Unless you think he folds Qx and worse here to your turn shove (which is a terrible assumption) This hand is fine.