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    Default Settle An Argument On Implied Odds

    Been arguing with a friend about an online hand he played recently that I witnessed. Here's the setup:

    Friend is showing some newbies the ins-and-outs of online poker. He's cleaning up in a tight-aggressive 9-handed low stakes LIMIT cash game. He picks up TT in middle position. Unknown UTG raises. Tight UTG+1 re-raises. UTG+1 has only shown down big cards, and it looks like he's playing solid position poker.

    It folds to Friend who, to my astonishment, makes the call. Flop comes rags, UTG checks, UTG+1 raises, Friend folds.

    Afterward, I berate my buddy for making the preflop call. He counters that he knew he was beat preflop (we both put UTG+1 on AA, KK, QQ, JJ, or AK), but my friend says he was shopping for a set of tens. He says that the implied odds of getting paid off in this situation was worth making the call. I say, he was dominated preflop, so why take an 8:1 flyer, looking for the set with only two other players in the hand?

    Can someone explain how (if?) the concept of implied odds works in this situation? I think this was a truly awful call, but my friend makes his living playing online poker and I don't, so I have to give him some cred.

    Cheers,
    -Bug
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    Tell your freind he needs way more than 8:1 to make that call. As played he called 2BB so he needed at least a 30+BB pot to break even. If QQ, JJ and AK is in his range, he's not going to make that on a K or A flop. Either raise or fold.
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    He made a bad call
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    Also, implied odds only count if you think he'll stack off with what you think he has.....in other words, if he suspects a set and can fold JJ+, you're wasting money
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    8:1 is the right odds of flopping a set but in this spot there isnt much dead money in yet, there is a chance it will be reraised again (meaning it costs us more than 2 bb to see the flop) and even if we hit our hand he might slow down. So yea its a bad call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelion
    8:1 is the right odds of flopping a set but in this spot there isnt much dead money in yet, there is a chance it will be reraised again (meaning it costs us more than 2 bb to see the flop) and even if we hit our hand he might slow down. So yea its a bad call.
    The odds of flopping a set are 8:1 yes, but I don't need to tell you why 8:1 is not the odds needed to call preflop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms
    Quote Originally Posted by Pelion
    8:1 is the right odds of flopping a set but in this spot there isnt much dead money in yet, there is a chance it will be reraised again (meaning it costs us more than 2 bb to see the flop) and even if we hit our hand he might slow down. So yea its a bad call.
    The odds of flopping a set are 8:1 yes, but I don't need to tell you why 8:1 is not the odds needed to call preflop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow
    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms
    Quote Originally Posted by Pelion
    8:1 is the right odds of flopping a set but in this spot there isnt much dead money in yet, there is a chance it will be reraised again (meaning it costs us more than 2 bb to see the flop) and even if we hit our hand he might slow down. So yea its a bad call.
    The odds of flopping a set are 8:1 yes, but I don't need to tell you why 8:1 is not the odds needed to call preflop.
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    any way it PT to check how you are running flopping sets?

    Seems like I am only flopping high sets like QQ, KK and AA which sounds good but is harder to get money from people
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    setometer

    It's a real thing
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    its fine when the stacks are very deep, but you didnt give that info
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    Default Re: Settle An Argument On Implied Odds

    Quote Originally Posted by gabe
    its fine when the stacks are very deep, but you didnt give that info
    Quote Originally Posted by Bugeye
    Friend is showing some newbies the ins-and-outs of online poker. He's cleaning up in a tight-aggressive 9-handed low stakes LIMIT cash game.
    Did you miss this gabe, or am I missing something?
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    posting alot because im trying to put off some work, and of course the post i mess up on is in the beginner's circle!

    bah, ignore that last one

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