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    hy, i am new to online holdem, since august this year,... i do not no much, but i learn and try to play always by the book.... the thing is that even playing like this, at cash tables i kind of lose all the time.... i dont know if its my fault, playing badly or i am just unlucky... so i will post a few questions...

    is it wrong to call an all-in on a flop with flush and/or straight draws when your hand is top 2 pair at least? (EX. you have KsQd on the flop : KcQh4h)

    how about A7 on a flop like A73? should i bet it hard, even go all in?

    is it ok to call any bet if the pot odds are good even if you lose?

    Ak on a flop like K 10 6... how shoul i play this hand?



    how should i play overpair on the flop? ex: QQ on a 793 flop? should i bet and if reraised fold?

    i lose mostly to these situations... so please answer my quoestions. thank you.
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    These aren't small problems. They are the crux of the matter! But what would be far more beneficial to you than the specific answers to your questions would be acquiring the framework to solve these problems on your own. And that starts by reading this:

    http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...re-123008.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razvan729 View Post
    how about A7 on a flop like A73? should i bet it hard, even go all in?
    lol.....

    read beginner's digest
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    Your best bet is to read the beginner's digest, post hands, ask questions and for gods sake have a thick skin!

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    The others are right, read the digest. I'll respond, though. Keep in mind that I'm an inexperienced player and am just getting my feet wet with cash games after playing a handful of SNGs. (I am a winning player over an insignificant number of hands.) Think about areas where you disagree with me (if any) and point them out. If you don't have any disagreements with me now, maybe you will after reading/rereading the beginner's digest.
    Quote Originally Posted by Razvan729 View Post
    is it wrong to call an all-in on a flop with flush and/or straight draws when your hand is top 2 pair at least? (EX. you have KsQd on the flop : KcQh4h)
    The straight and flush draws shouldn't be your concern when it comes to a decision to call. They do, however, give you a big incentive to put out a big bet to protect your hand to make certain you're giving draws the wrong odds to call.

    Download and install PokerStove. What would be the best draw your opponent could have? JhTh gives him a flush/open-ended straight draw. Even against that draw, you are a slight favorite and therefore should call every time if you put him on a draw (and note that sometimes, even when you aren't the favorite, you could have the right odds to call). If you hesitate because you've been sucked-out on in the past in these sorts of situations, you're being results-oriented, which is mindset that will dull your edge and widen your leaks.

    You may wish to note, that if he does have JhTh or something similar (like AhTh or AhJh), he's making a profitable play -- the fact that you're even asking this question means that some part of the time, a player like yourself holding a monster hand like top two will fold and he will win the pot outright. He'll also sweep a lot of pots against lesser holdings that would otherwise be coinflips (top pair and middle pair type hands). Meanwhile, at worst, he's something like a 32.9% underdog if he gets called. Even if he assumes his opponent has the strongest possible hand vs. his draw and will call his bet 100% of the time, depending on the pot size and effective stacks, it could still be a +EV move (though not necessarily the most profitable one).

    Anyway, back to your situation. You have to also consider the fact that your opponent could have a hand like KK, QQ or 44. These hands have your top two trounced. KK and QQ are unlikely because of the blockers (between your hole cards and the board, you can account for 2 of each of the 4 kings and queens ... so if there is only one combo of KK or QQ each that you opponent can have).

    This is where it pays to put your opponent on a range. How many hands has he been playing, what was the preflop betting like, and what betting action (if any) immediately preceded the all-in?

    Depending on the level you're playing at, many players will easily make this move with sets, any two pair, AA, top pair/good kicker type hands and solid draws. Let's say you can't exclude any of these hands from his range, and let's make this his entire range for now. Sometimes he might also make a move with lesser hands like TPWK, second pair, JJ, TT, gutshots or a stone bluff, but without more info we can't say he's doing that too often with much confidence. PokerStove the villain's range against your holdings and see what you get. Don't be afraid to do this during a game when a you're playing for deep stacks (you have a time bank; use it), and certainly do it after the hand has been played.
    how about A7 on a flop like A73? should i bet it hard, even go all in?
    This is an ideal value bet situation. If you can't see why, you'd be well-served to re-read whatever book you're playing by (or maybe toss it in the garbage and buy a different one). At microstakes you can bet it hard knowing that hands like TPTK or even weak aces will call you down or reraise. I wouldn't go all-in unless you're raised, otherwise you'll chase away too many middling hands; big hands will probably get it in either way, so don't rush it.

    is it ok to call any bet if the pot odds are good even if you lose?
    This question epitomizes results-oriented thinking. The whole point of considering pot odds (vs. your odds of making a draw) is that you're playing the percentages. You must accept the fact that you will lose some portion of the time (with some plays, you will lose most of the time) because the money you make when you hit will offset any losses you incur when you miss, over a sufficiently large sample of hands.

    This is one reason why responsible bankroll management is crucial. If your roll is too small you may bust out before you've seen enough hands to overcome the random element of the game.

    Ak on a flop like K 10 6... how shoul i play this hand?
    Bet strong and for value on every street. If you're playing a nitty/TAG type player, consider slowing down in response to extreme aggression, and/or if the board gets scary all the sudden (for example, if another T falls, or the turn/river come QJ, or there's a 4-flush).

    how should i play overpair on the flop? ex: QQ on a 793 flop? should i bet and if reraised fold?
    Consider the hands that could be raising you with, not just the hands that have you beat. AA, KK, sets, two pair he could be raising you with, sure. But players could also be doing this with hands like QQ, JJ, TT, A9, K9, AK, T8, 86, gutshots, and less often, weaker hands/complete air. What's your opponent's range? If he didn't 3bet, or closed the action preflop, you can probably safely take AA or KK out of his range unless you've seen him passively play such hands before. If the player is TAG or nitty and opened from early position, you can eliminate the two pair possibilities, K9, the OESDs, etc and so on. Put your opponent on a range than make your decision based on how you fare against that range.
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    ty for the answers... i knew that you'll say to read, i did, seems stupid to ask these things since i read, here and aniwhere i could find.... asking these is not because i dont know or havent read , i did, i ask because i lose in 80% of those situations ,even if i am 70% favourite in all of them,and then i asked my self if theory is the same with practice, that is why i asked. i admit i do make mistakes, but i know when that happends and asume the losses. (sorry if my english is bad!)

    i am thinking that i am unlucky maybe and should stop playing.

    Yesterday i wrote down a few hands that put me in trouble and lost all. i just wanna know if is wrong play or badluck. if bad luck, happends to all or i am just not made for this game and should stop?

    All the next hands happend yesterday, during a 3 hour session and they are in the order that i played them.
    For all hands blinds are 0.02/0.05 $ on PokerStars 9 players.

    1. UTG, (new to the table so havent seen him play) raises 3BB, folded to me, i am first before CO, i reraise to 7BB with black KK, the BB call so doeas the UTG, everyone else folds.
    Flop Kh Qs 8s
    Checked to me, i bet the pot ( i have nuts ,the best chance a hand has to beat me is a flush, with 30% to the river, so i am 70% favourite), BB folds, UTG goes all in. I call. he wins with flush, his hand, 3s4s! did i play it wrong or think the flop wrong?

    2. i am CO QhQs, i raise 4bb , only SB calls ( he is loose, i seen him play a lot of raised pots with junk cards)
    Flop: Jh 2s 7d i bet the pot, he goes all in... i call... he has KK, i lose... wrong play?

    3. folded to 2nd Midlle position, he limps, i am Button with KK, i raise to 5 BB, folded to BB that calls, the limper reraises to 17 bb, i rereraise to 50bb, BB folds, limper goes all-in, i call. he makes set 10 ( he had 10 10 )i lose. wrong play?

    4. Early position makes 3bb raise, folded to, i am BB with Ah6h, i call.
    Flop: As 6d 5h he bets 1/2 the pot, i reraise 3 times his bet, he goes all in, i call... he has AK, river gives a K, i lose. wrong play?

    so is my play wrong with these hands or just unlucky?

    one more question... i ussualy go on a table with 50bb, if i double my self, should stand up and re enter another table so i can start over again with 50bb or should i keep the stack and try to improve it rather then lose it? should i risk a big stack that i won in 3 hours (10$) in a hand like AA, KK preflop all-in or on a flopped set? or maybe be more cautios and play safe with hard earned money?
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    When all the money goes in and you are more than 50% favorite, even by only 0.5%, then your play is correct.

    Bad luck does not exist. It's called variance, and to eliminate variance you play more, not less.

    If you put your money in as a 70% favorite 10000 times, you will win very close to 7000 times. No secret, no voodoo. You still loose 3000 times, and you have to accept it. That's poker.

    Download pokerstove (free) and enter your hands in there. It will tell you what is your equity in the hand, so you will know if you made the right play. Do not just enter the exact hand of your opponent once you know it. Enter the range of hands that you think he may have according to his tendencies and the plays he made so far. Check if you are a favorite against the range. Also take pot odds into account. 50% is not a magic number. Calling an all in is dictated by comparing pot odds with your equity against the range of your opponent, not by whether your are > 50% favorite. See here.

    For you last question: you should consider going away from the table after winning if players with stacks of size comparable to yours are sitting to your left. They have position on you most of the time, so they have an advantage on you. Generally speaking, you want to have position on players with big stacks and have short stacks to your left. Also good to have loose players to your right and tight players to your left.
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    That's a gret post by Tukka considering it's his 5th post and he readily admits he's inexperienced. I think we have a baby monster here. God helps us all when his teeth are sharp enough to chew meat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tukka View Post
    The others are right, read the digest. I'll respond, though. *Keep in mind that I'm an inexperienced player and am just getting my feet wet with cash games after playing a **handful of SNGs. (***I am a winning player over an insignificant number of hands.) Think about areas where you disagree with me ****(if any) and point them out. If you don't have any disagreements with me now, maybe you will after reading/rereading the beginner's digest.............
    * I think you feet are soaked buddy!
    **How fucking big are your hands any how?
    ***What the hell do you consider insignificant?
    ****NOPE

    Great fucking post noobie...lmao

    I hope this means we have another contributor for sure?

    Thanks for the post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razvan729 View Post
    1. UTG, (new to the table so havent seen him play) raises 3BB, folded to me, i am first before CO, i reraise to 7BB with black KK, the BB call so doeas the UTG, everyone else folds.
    Flop Kh Qs 8s
    Checked to me, i bet the pot ( i have nuts ,the best chance a hand has to beat me is a flush, with 30% to the river, so i am 70% favourite), BB folds, UTG goes all in. I call. he wins with flush, his hand, 3s4s! did i play it wrong or think the flop wrong?
    reraise like a man not a fricking fish raise it to 11bb so that he is making a mistake calling. a small 3bet just gives him implied odds to call and hit his flush.

    2. i am CO QhQs, i raise 4bb , only SB calls ( he is loose, i seen him play a lot of raised pots with junk cards)
    Flop: Jh 2s 7d i bet the pot, he goes all in... i call... he has KK, i lose... wrong play?
    whats his stack size ?if he's shoving 10bb easy call , if you are both 300bb deep easy fold.you've seen him play raised pots with junk...whats he been shoving all in with?


    3. folded to 2nd Midlle position, he limps, i am Button with KK, i raise to 5 BB, folded to BB that calls, the limper reraises to 17 bb, i rereraise to 50bb, BB folds, limper goes all-in, i call. he makes set 10 ( he had 10 10 )i lose. wrong play?
    stack sizes and villains stats. is he tight or loose? assuming you are both 100bb deep your 4bet is too big . You can't put 50% of your stack in and fold.make it 30bb or shove rather than 50bb.

    4. Early position makes 3bb raise, folded to, i am BB with Ah6h, i call.
    Flop: As 6d 5h he bets 1/2 the pot, i reraise 3 times his bet, he goes all in, i call... he has AK, river gives a K, i lose. wrong play?
    fold pre. Fish call in the BB with Arag s .Villain is in early position i,e should be playing a strong range,against that range you aren't fareing well. You have two pair wow ....board pairs or higher cards ome and any bigger A automatically counterfeits you. play it in position not out of position.

    so is my play wrong with these hands or just unlucky?
    you played em all wrong, and your mistakes contrbuted to the amount you lost

    one more question... i ussualy go on a table with 50bb, if i double my self, should stand up and re enter another table so i can start over again with 50bb or should i keep the stack and try to improve it rather then lose it? should i risk a big stack that i won in 3 hours (10$) in a hand like AA, KK preflop all-in or on a flopped set? or maybe be more cautios and play safe with hard earned money?
    learn to play 100bb poker, 50bb is too easy to get all in with and you get pot committted too easily.The bigger the risk the stronger hand you want. read all the bankroll management stuff in the digest ....in fact all of the digest.
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    May all your flops be sets and all your boards be disconnected. Goodluck with your poker journey razvan729
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13 View Post
    Great fucking post noobie...lmao
    Thanks for the kind words and encouragement, and you're welcome.

    **How fucking big are your hands any how?
    ***What the hell do you consider insignificant?
    Well, I've played 2437 hands over 29 single table SNGs and 1076 hands in 6max ... so while I think I am playing winning poker (at these stakes), I can't say I have the stats to back that up.
    I hope this means we have another contributor for sure?

    Thanks for the post
    You're welcome.

    I hope to become a regular contributor, but I can be fickle in my interests and don't always follow things through. Of course, most of my interests don't have the potential to earn me much money.

    Right now I am loosely following Robb's 5k hand 10NL guide, but for 2NL because my bankroll is tiny. Most of the post-related homework assignments for the first 1k hands are overdue, so I'll dig through my HHs now to find something for you guys to pick apart (in their own threads, of course).

    I look forward to getting your feedback. Thanks again for the warm welcome.
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    thanks for all and to all... all is good for me, any advice of any kind....i am now rereading , and started with what you have here in the learning section. any mistake is a lesson and any kick in the butt is taking you forward... so i heard.... anyway... playing by what you said here and by the articles in the digest section (sorry for my english) , i started monday from scrap/// made new account, started with 20, now i have 30, 5 from cash tables and 5 from a SNG... seems its working acting from your advice so i will keep on like this...

    question: a profit of 4bb/100 means that winning 0,2 $ in a 100 hands for 0,02/0,05 blinds is ok? maybe is a stupid question but i wanna make sure i understood corect.
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    i just got smacked by 4 of a kind.... poker is damn nasty... got my set Q on the flop... so did he.. set 9... i bet the pot ...he reraises... i go all in.... he calls//// he got 4th 9 on the river.... really frustrating... waited 90 min for a decent hand and when it came i got rocked )
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    i have a problem/// i read in the preflop article posted at the digest, that some do raises with KQ in UTG.... i tried doing that, but i flop just a pair... K or Q and i bet but i get reraised i fold it immediatlly afraid that his got the same pair with A kicker.... is it right to do play it like this?


    sorry for many silly question ...but i just wanna make sure i am doing right the play and again sorry for my english.
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    I fold KQ utg
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    here is another one...

    blinds 0,02/0,05

    UTG raises to 0,12 $ folded to 4th MP that call... folded to me , i am SB with Ad8d... i call...

    so its a 3 way pot...

    flop 9d 5h 5d... i check, UTG bets 0,2 $... MP calls... i calculate and i have implied odds... but... UTG raises like that only pairs .... and MP calling .... hmm ... i think at least one has a pair, maybe 9 or other... so i am afraid that even if i make the flush, i might be facing a full at showdown so i fold from the flop... what would you have done?
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    Again, I'm folding A8 to an UTG raise unless I've seen UTG raise light in this position. There's a very good chance our hand is dominated.

    Also, I don't chase draws on paired boards. Implied odds are negative, we pay off more to full houses than we win with our flushes. If someone bets like 1bb then I can call a draw on a paired flop, but I still tread very carefully.
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    so i played right folding/// ty
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tukka View Post
    Thanks for the kind words and encouragement, and you're welcome.



    Well, I've played 2437 hands over 29 single table SNGs and 1076 hands in 6max ... so while I think I am playing winning poker (at these stakes), I can't say I have the stats to back that up.


    You're welcome.

    I hope to become a regular contributor, but I can be fickle in my interests and don't always follow things through. Of course, most of my interests don't have the potential to earn me much money.

    Right now I am loosely following Robb's 5k hand 10NL guide, but for 2NL because my bankroll is tiny. Most of the post-related homework assignments for the first 1k hands are overdue, so I'll dig through my HHs now to find something for you guys to pick apart (in their own threads, of course).

    I look forward to getting your feedback. Thanks again for the warm welcome.
    Tukka I must say I am very impressed as it is obvious you are grasping the concepts very well. I really thought you had much more experience based on your post.
    Robb's stuff is all very good as are many of the other contributors here at FTR. Looking forward to watching you progress. Hope you'll consider starting a blog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razvan729 View Post
    so i played right folding/// ty
    I would say folding the flop was correct, but please don't assume I'm an expert on the matter. I only just stepped up from 2nl to 5nl, and I might step back down because 2nl is just so much easier.
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    another silly question... playing 3 tables at once ... does that has any efect on your win rate? because it seems to me that even if i get more preflop good hands, i hit the flop rarely then i do when playing just one table.
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    The number of tables you play has no influence whatsoever on how frequently you hit flops.

    Obviously though, if you play three tables, you will hit about three times more total flops than if you play only one table.

    Makes sense?
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    so i must be one of top 5 unluckiest man alive..... i been playing today for 3 hours... started today with 30 $... managed to get to 35$... now i am down to 20... one table i hit set 3 on the flop.... he raises i reraise, he goes all in .... he get flush... the other have HU, have JJ... hit another set on flop... again he gets flush on the river... now i am down 10 bucks of the stack.... its damn frustrating....
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    Dude, forget the results. Concentrate on making the correct plays and correct bankroll management. In the long run, it will pay out.

    Don't play 25NL. If you are a beginner, play at the lowest stakes. Not to make money. To learn.
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    i play 0,02/0,05 blinds...not more.... i am trying to do the right play... but any bets i make...even shove in.. they chase the straight and they ussually get it... that is why so frustrating.... i am thinking... maybe if the flop gives flush and/or straight draws and i hit my set... dont get all in... bet the pot... if reraised call and see the turn... if all ok then shove... dont even know how to play these anymore cause it seems every time a flush has a chance... it get me and rocks me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razvan729 View Post
    i play 0,02/0,05 blinds...not more.... i am trying to do the right play... but any bets i make...even shove in.. they chase the straight and they ussually get it... that is why so frustrating.... i am thinking... maybe if the flop gives flush and/or straight draws and i hit my set... dont get all in... bet the pot... if reraised call and see the turn... if all ok then shove... dont even know how to play these anymore cause it seems every time a flush has a chance... it get me and rocks me...
    Read this Bankroll Management article.

    You are underrolled for even 5NL. You shouldn't be trying to play 5NL until you have at least $100 (probably more like $125, honestly). Play 2NL, where losing a stack to a bad beat won't cost you 25% of your bankroll. Or deposit more money and expect to keep losing until you better understand the fundamentals.

    Poker can be frustrating, but you have to understand statistics and variance. Your flopped set against a flush draw is a favorite to win, but you will still lose about a quarter of the time to that flush. And if you play enough hands, you'll lose that set to a flush draw 5 times in a row, simply because that's how variance works. Try flipping a coin and see how long it takes to get 5 heads in a row -- that's only a 1/32 chance for any given 5 flips, but if you flip that coin 200 times it won't be surprising to see 5 heads in a row.
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    yes... you are right.... you all are.... maybe i need time to get at peace with all the concepts... i tried playing that low 2nl, but there the place is full of donks and fishes, i did play... but i lost there a lot of money for they never fold...at a raise they get all in with everything almost.... QQ+ and you get called by 3-4 players and 90% of the times you get beat by 3-8 or crappy cards.... no matter how tight i played there, pre-flop and post-flop... i just cant win there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razvan729 View Post
    yes... you are right.... you all are.... maybe i need time to get at peace with all the concepts... i tried playing that low 2nl, but there the place is full of donks and fishes, i did play... but i lost there a lot of money for they never fold...at a raise they get all in with everything almost.... QQ+ and you get called by 3-4 players and 90% of the times you get beat by 3-8 or crappy cards.... no matter how tight i played there, pre-flop and post-flop... i just cant win there...
    Not trying to be mean here, but basically you are saying, "I can't win against very bad players, so instead I'm going to win by playing good players."

    Logic fail. Stop focusing on the bad beats and instead try to figure out where you need to improve your game.
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    Read. Figure out the math. Play tight/boring ABC poker. Almost never bluff. Value bet to death. Put your opponents on ranges always. Ignore the bad beats. Concentrate on your game, not on the results. Don't tilt. These are the keys. It takes time, work, practice, patience, discipline and nerves.

    Read, read, read.
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    i know my weak points.... one and the most important of all is that i cant lay down hands when its clear that i am beat.... another one... after bad beats.... i call with any pair almost every raise hoping to get set.... if dont on the flop i carry on to the turn... and that is how i lose money... besides the bad beat ( variation like you call it )... and not playing all the hands i should play on late position...cause i am afraid... and playng poor a hand where i have the nuts, but the board scares me and instead of making the best of that i say thanks i got 0,3 $ when could got out at least 1,5 $. or playing AJ on flop J74 really agressive when it clear he could have over pair and a set... and i lose money here also...
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    better to fold that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razvan729 View Post
    i tried playing that low 2nl, but there the place is full of donks and fishes
    Precisely the reason I turned $25 into $250 in three months. I'm now at 5nl, even though I'm sufficiently rolled for 10nl if I want, but I won't play 10nl until I can beat 5nl. Someone said recently "you have to crawl before you can sprint", he was talking about antimatter but it's relevant here. If you can't win money at 2nl playing against donks, you can't hope to win money against skilled players. You've got to learn to beat the donks if you want to be successful at poker.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
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    daviddem ty for the link... is great! i found my self and a lot of the situations i have been there... is a great talk there and helped a little bit.

    ongbonga... happy for you, hope to follow you...

    my biggest problem of all, is not theory... but aplllying it in practice.... yesterday told you... started 30$... got to 35 $... 2 bad beats from donks that i gave not pot odds or implied odds and they called....
    i got to 20////
    biggest mistake of the night, not getting bad beat... not playing 0,05 bb.... biggest mistake was not standing up that moment and just take 10 min brake.... nope, i kept on playing... and playing like them .... like a damn fish, stupid idiot donk and lostr another 10 $....

    so... i can blame only my self... for not being patience, for letting get in tilt, for playing tilted... for not knowing when to stop.... for willingly playing like a donk hoping for they're luck to recover lost $.... so .... if yes,,, sometimes i get bad beats, you also do that.... but, you keep winning money and i lose money... the only difference between me and you all winners, is that i have to learn to become patient, accept the variance, accept bad beats, accept fishes, donks and most important, no matter what happends, no matter how much i lose... i SHOULD ALWAYS PLAY THE RIGHT WAY! because if i do play the best way every time, i could reload 30$ a day for a year do to bad beats, but the next, because of my best play and the variance, i will get that 10000000 back. Like you said , and all other, not just in poker, but in all domains... ALWAYS PLAY THE WAY IT SHOULD, MIGHT GET YOU BROKE TODAY, BUT WILL MAKE YOU A MILLIONAIRE TOMOROW!

    so, bankroll: 10 $... going to 2nl.... play my best... and will keep you informed.... with hands and news... ty and nuts to all!
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    You really need to watch some videos so that you can see how and why other people are playing hands. this is a free video series designed to give a really basic guide to playing 2nl. 101 series full ring
    Don't watch videos from higher stakes yet , they will get you into trouble at 2nl . At 2nl people don't fold so don't bluff. make a decent hand and get all your stack in . they will call because thats what they do. At higher stakes people will fold but it doesn't apply at 2nl.

    there are free videos in the panels on the left , but they are higher stakes. There are also free videos at www.pokertrikz.com. Once your bankroll starts fgrowing you can then look to starting to take out a grinderschool micro stakes video.

    Do you run any tracking software yet. Theres a 2 month free trial at pokertracker and 14 day free trial with holdem manager, or search for a link to a post by spoonitnow about free tracking software here in the BC .
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    i try to convert some hands.... but it keeps saying this: "Error: Failed to parse game header "... what do i do wrong?
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    no i dont have a tracker.... if someone if suggest a good and easy to use one i would be gratefull
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    2month free trial at poker tracker 3 is the easy option. Have you got you poker client set up to save your hand histories ...might as well give it a long expiry date.What site atre you playing at.
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    i play pokerstars... up to 30 days keeps them... think is that i cant convert them here... that kink you gave is not working
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    ty.. getting it now and hope will help me
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    are you in italy or france? wondering if the stars.it and stars.fr are compatible wit the ftr converter.
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    no.. i am from Romania... prob never heard of it

    read the FAQ of the converter... says that if i get that error , my poker room is not supported.. so i will write them by hand/
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    opponent's playing style is easy... any raise preflop before him, he folds.... limpers in front he limps// if after him anyone raises, reraises, he calls with anything... once on the flop, he calls , just calls to the river no matter what he holds... never seen him raising or folding no matter what. once broke he reloads with 10$ ( bb is 0,02 $ ). so he never raises, never folds once he put any small money in the pot and after flop, calls anything to the river. his range? any 2 cards.

    UTG folds, MP1 limps( the one i been saying ), folded to me (Button) i raise 6BB with KsKd, SB, BB fold, MP1 calls.

    flop: 9s9hKh

    MP1 check, i bet the pot, MP1 calls

    turn: As

    MP1 check, i bet the pot, MP1 calls

    river: Ah

    MP1 all in (8$).... me ? (stack 5$ )
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    i am UTG+1 with AcQc... UTG folds, i raise 5bb (0,02 $ bb )... 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 fold,MP4 calls...the rest fold.

    flop Qs 8s 6d

    i bet the pot (0,4 $), MP2 calls, MP4 calls

    turn Jc

    i go all in ( just value betting is more than 1/2 of my stack so its all in)... both MPs call///

    river 8h

    MP2 shows KdQh, MP4 has Ks9s.... did i play this ok or i risked a lot ? dont know the players so have no stats on them
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    what language do you have your client in .try using english and get an english hand history. The converter proably doesn't understand romanian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razvan729 View Post
    i am UTG+1 with AcQc... UTG folds, i raise 5bb (0,02 $ bb )... 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 fold,MP4 calls...the rest fold.

    flop Qs 8s 6d

    i bet the pot (0,4 $), MP2 calls, MP4 calls

    turn Jc

    i go all in ( just value betting is more than 1/2 of my stack so its all in)... both MPs call///

    river 8h

    MP2 shows KdQh, MP4 has Ks9s.... did i play this ok or i risked a lot ? dont know the players so have no stats on them
    Bet bigger on the flop. If you were looking to shove then the flop would have been the way to go. Try to take at least one of them out.
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    PokerStars Game #53092264371: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2010/11/22 15:50:42 EET [2010/11/22 8:50:42 ET]
    Table 'Victoria III' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: Ritchie207 ($2.91 in chips)
    Seat 2: skahl ($5.52 in chips)
    Seat 3: chusiton ($0.57 in chips)
    Seat 4: rfp149 ($1.52 in chips)
    Seat 5: pr35t0 ($3.14 in chips)
    Seat 6: Albertrucci ($2 in chips)
    Seat 7: Roadhammer55 ($2.61 in chips)
    Seat 9: Big Mimi ($1.45 in chips)
    Albertrucci: posts small blind $0.01
    Roadhammer55: posts big blind $0.02
    dimka69: sits out
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to rfp149 [Th Ac]
    Big Mimi: folds
    Ritchie207: calls $0.02
    skahl: calls $0.02
    chusiton: folds
    rfp149: raises $0.08 to $0.10
    pr35t0: folds
    Albertrucci: folds
    Roadhammer55: folds
    Ritchie207: calls $0.08
    skahl: calls $0.08
    *** FLOP *** [Tc 7s 4c]
    Ritchie207: bets $0.10
    skahl: calls $0.10
    rfp149: raises $0.42 to $0.52
    Ritchie207: folds
    skahl: folds
    Uncalled bet ($0.42) returned to rfp149
    rfp149 collected $0.60 from pot
    rfp149: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $0.63 | Rake $0.03
    Board [Tc 7s 4c]
    Seat 1: Ritchie207 folded on the Flop
    Seat 2: skahl folded on the Flop
    Seat 3: chusiton folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: rfp149 collected ($0.60)
    Seat 5: pr35t0 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Albertrucci (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: Roadhammer55 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: Big Mimi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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    this is theonly way that i can do with the converter now... should i change some of the settings to make with the cards? or what am i doing wrong?
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    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    saw flop

    UTG+1 ($2.91)
    MP1 ($5.52)
    MP2 ($0.57)
    Hero (CO) ($1.52)
    Button ($3.14)
    SB ($2)
    BB ($2.61)
    UTG ($1.45)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 10, A
    1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, MP1 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.10, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.08, MP1 calls $0.08

    Flop: ($0.33) 10, 7, 4 (3 players)
    UTG+1 bets $0.10, MP1 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.52, 2 folds

    Total pot: $0.63 | Rake: $0.03

    Copy the raw hand history from your post above into the "input" box of the converter, tick the "mark important stacks" tickbox, click "convert hand", wait a few seconds, click "select output", and copy/paste the text you just selected in your post when you write it. Manually remove the results of the hand or the part that you don't want to show. For example in the hand above you should remove
    Code:
    , 2 folds
    
    Total pot: $0.63 | Rake: $0.03
    from the raw output so that no one can see that everyone folded and you won the pot, because this could influence their comments. The result would then be:

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    saw flop

    UTG+1 ($2.91)
    MP1 ($5.52)
    MP2 ($0.57)
    Hero (CO) ($1.52)
    Button ($3.14)
    SB ($2)
    BB ($2.61)
    UTG ($1.45)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 10, A
    1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, MP1 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.10, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.08, MP1 calls $0.08

    Flop: ($0.33) 10, 7, 4 (3 players)
    UTG+1 bets $0.10, MP1 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.52
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    hmm... i did just that but got out the way you seen it....
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    PokerStars Game #53092264371: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2010/11/22 15:50:42 EET [2010/11/22 8:50:42 ET]
    Table 'Victoria III' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: Ritchie207 ($2.91 in chips)
    Seat 2: skahl ($5.52 in chips)
    Seat 3: chusiton ($0.57 in chips)
    Seat 4: rfp149 ($1.52 in chips)
    Seat 5: pr35t0 ($3.14 in chips)
    Seat 6: Albertrucci ($2 in chips)
    Seat 7: Roadhammer55 ($2.61 in chips)
    Seat 9: Big Mimi ($1.45 in chips)
    Albertrucci: posts small blind $0.01
    Roadhammer55: posts big blind $0.02
    dimka69: sits out
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to rfp149 [Th Ac]
    Big Mimi: folds
    Ritchie207: calls $0.02
    skahl: calls $0.02
    chusiton: folds
    rfp149: raises $0.08 to $0.10
    pr35t0: folds
    Albertrucci: folds
    Roadhammer55: folds
    Ritchie207: calls $0.08
    skahl: calls $0.08
    *** FLOP *** [Tc 7s 4c]
    Ritchie207: bets $0.10
    skahl: calls $0.10
    rfp149: raises $0.42 to $0.52
    Ritchie207: folds
    skahl: folds
    Uncalled bet ($0.42) returned to rfp149
    rfp149 collected $0.60 from pot
    rfp149: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $0.63 | Rake $0.03
    Board [Tc 7s 4c]
    Seat 1: Ritchie207 folded on the Flop
    Seat 2: skahl folded on the Flop
    Seat 3: chusiton folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: rfp149 collected ($0.60)
    Seat 5: pr35t0 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Albertrucci (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: Roadhammer55 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: Big Mimi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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    something isnt ok... dont know what

    anyway.... seems that 2nl can be profitable like you said david/// just that more safe play here than higher stakes...

    about higher stakes, watched a table yesterday 600nl.... i was amazed by theyr playing style.... i mean, UTG raises with 56 and then chaces a straight to the river with no pot odds or implied odds...or reraising with K7s and calling a rereraise? a lot i seen there... my question, on higher stakes that preflop choosing starting hands doenst aplly anymore people play there just by instinct and or "big balls" ? i mean what seen there had nothing to do with poker rules you learn in any articles
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    Try harder. It's working. Read again what I wrote. Make sure you do not paste extra empty lines before and after the raw hand history.

    And use the preview button before you post to see if it worked.
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    aint working.. tried multiple ways and nothing, maybe a moderator knows
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razvan729 View Post
    about higher stakes, watched a table yesterday 600nl.... i was amazed by theyr playing style.... i mean, UTG raises with 56 and then chaces a straight to the river with no pot odds or implied odds...or reraising with K7s and calling a rereraise? a lot i seen there... my question, on higher stakes that preflop choosing starting hands doenst aplly anymore people play there just by instinct and or "big balls" ? i mean what seen there had nothing to do with poker rules you learn in any articles
    don't watch higher stakes tables , they are playing at a much higher standard , they have to play marginal hands to balance their good hands because the players at that level will not pay off if someone only plays at limited number of starting hands. It doesn't apply at 2nl ....learn to beat 2nl and move up . as you move up you will have to start adding more concepts to beat the next level.learn to crawl before you start walking and then jogging and then running.
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    yes you are right/// was watching of curiosity/// that what i asked because theyr play seemed really strange to me... ty for answer
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    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    saw flop

    MP2 ($4.96)
    MP3 ($2.49)
    CO ($2.97)
    Button ($2)
    SB ($0.98)
    BB ($4.94)
    UTG ($2.11)
    UTG+1 ($1)
    Hero (MP1) ($2.30)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8, 9
    1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.02, MP3 bets $0.08, 1 fold, Button calls $0.08, 4 folds

    Flop: ($0.23) 6, 5, Q (2 players)
    MP3 bets $0.08, Button calls $0.08

    Turn: ($0.39) J (2 players)
    MP3 bets $0.14, Button calls $0.14

    River: ($0.67) 2 (2 players)
    MP3 checks, Button bets $0.38, 1 fold

    Total pot: $0.67 | Rake: $0.03
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    works.... my fault... i am a donk... i was selecting output but forget to copy it... sorry
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    i seen there are sites that caracterisation of your poker style./// are there any good? should i trust theyr advices on my play? if yes, whick is the best site for that?
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    Don't bother with that. Read books. Watch the videos here and on 2+2 and the free videos on Grinderschool, read the articles on the forums, post hands and review hands that others post to learn the thinking process and the math.

    At low stakes, expecially 2nl, you have to play mathematical ABC poker. Put your opponent on ranges, don't ever bluff, just bet for value when you think your hand has good equity against your opponent's range.
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    well, this how i play now 2nl and from my 4$ left sunday now i have 17$ and that is thanks to your advices, reading post from here and articles also... like you said, only book poker.

    but i have 2 more questions... oneis about implied odds.... if my odds to get the best hand are 25:1, but the implied odds are also 25:1, its not a good call right? i mean that is breaking even so no profit.but if the implied odds are 30:1 or more then chasing my card makes sense... its logic what i say?

    second thing, whats the best strategy against loose players? many times i fold good hands and just play it really safe because theyr range is just any 2 cards. should i take more risks with them?
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    from what i seen in 50 hands played.... he's tight passive.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    saw flop

    BB ($0.80)
    UTG ($6.82)
    UTG+1 ($2.97)
    MP1 ($0.95)
    MP2 ($2)
    Hero (CO) ($3.45)
    Button ($2)
    SB ($2)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with ,
    1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.06, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.06, 1 fold, SB calls $0.05, 1 fold

    Flop: ($0.20) , , (3 players)
    SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.10, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10

    Turn: ($0.40) (2 players)
    UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.20, UTG+1 calls $0.20

    River: ($0.80) (2 players)
    UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.40, UTG+1 raises to $0.80, Hero ???
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    he is damn loose....

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    saw flop

    UTG ($2.77)
    MP1 ($2.62)
    MP2 ($1.04)
    CO ($4.51)
    Hero (Button) ($1.96)
    SB ($0.89)
    BB ($4.82)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with ,
    4 folds, Hero bets $0.10, 1 fold, BB calls $0.08

    Flop: ($0.21) , , (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, BB calls $0.20

    Turn: ($0.61) (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BB calls $0.30

    River: ($1.21) (2 players)
    BB bets $4.22 (All-In), Hero ???
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    First hand, I would fold ATo pre flop to an early position raise. As played I would call the river, definitely not raise.

    Second hand, pre flop fine, flop fine, I'd pot the turn and snap fold river. Make him chase draws at a terrible price, as in your flop bet, and make sure you don't pay off massive pots when they hit depsite the bad odds, ensuring their implied odds are minimal. You could probably call up to a 50c bet on the river if you can give him enough bluffs, so punish this ridiculous shove by snap folding.
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    yes, first hand you are right.... i folded there, his kicker surely got me beat/// that was my mistake there//// second hand, i knew he is loose and chases no matter the bet, that why turn bet was 1/2 pot... but he showed 4 10 ) he had straight, not flush.... i folded the river... anyway got him stacked of 2 hands later on a full.

    aout those implied odds... is it a profitabel play to chase the hands if my odds of of getting the card are really close to the implied odds? in theory it is as numbers, but practic?
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    just 3 hands i seen of him play with others... every time he was ahead he was really agressive, when board scared him he slowed down and waited for the other...

    hands with me: i 3 bet him once and he folded, called me on a cbet once then went all in on the turn....


    was this played right?

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    saw flop

    SB ($0.66)
    BB ($0.80)
    UTG ($2.03)
    Hero (UTG+1) ($3.24)
    MP1 ($5.24)
    MP2 ($3.21)
    MP3 ($1)
    CO ($1.26)
    Button ($0.63)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with ,
    UTG bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08, 7 folds

    Flop: ($0.19) , , (2 players)
    UTG bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.20, UTG calls $0.10

    Turn: ($0.59) (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $0.30, UTG calls $0.30

    River: ($1.19) (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $0.66, 1 fold

    Total pot: $1.19 | Rake: $0.05
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    forgot to say but ty for this site, i mean since i started reading and talking here i have taken my last 4$ to 30$ in 3 days

    ty all for patience and advices and critics
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    I think you're significantly behind his range when he donkbets that flop, and stoving seems to confirm that suspicion, even if I'm generous about counting all the conceivable draw/middle pair type hands he might have. So the problem as I see it, is that in order to defend your rather marginal holding (given the board texture) you have to raise bigger on the flop which also means betting bigger on the turn. IMO, you're stuck committing way too much money in a spot where you're often behind.

    I also think I check behind on the river. Maybe your bet coupled with the second queen scares off an ace, but most of the time I think you're only getting called here by better.
  71. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Razvan729 View Post
    ...anyway got him stacked of 2 hands later on a full.

    This is a key comment, you wouldn't believe how important this concept is, especially at the micros. This guy is willing to shove nearly four times the pot with a straight into a board consisting of three diamonds. It's ok to be bluffed off pots by this guy, because he's paying monsters off all day long if he has a hand himself. It's terrible poker by him, it's massively -ev. Patience is the key. Make sure you make notes about people who are this bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Razvan729 View Post
    ...since i started reading and talking here i have taken my last 4$ to 30$ in 3 days
    Good stuff! 2nl you should be able to beat without any problems if you listen to what people who have beaten 2nl tell you, and you seem more than willing to listen. Keep up the good progress!
    Last edited by OngBonga; 11-23-2010 at 01:40 PM.
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    ongies gonna ong
  72. #72
    Oh yeah, this latest hand you posted, it's interesting. I would fold to the raise at the flop, it's just too dangerous. It seems you've hit lucky and successfully got value against an aggressive flush draw, but I'm not sure we get enough of these to pay for the times he calls down Ax. I think checking behind on the river is correct, simply because he calls an ace, and folds his flush draws. There's no value, there's no worse hand that can call this bet, and I don't think any better hands fold. In other words, the river bet is -ev.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
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    i know about the last hand (me 10 pair) i was risking a lot, that why i asked you. i did play that way because my image was really tight at the table and for good reasons, they only seen my cards when they got beaten and even when i lost i had damn good hands. for him, i tried him on that flop raise, him calling me on the turn made me think he has a pair below AA or he has AK, AJ since he was the preflop raiser. his flop seemed a cbet not a made hand,if he betted the pot i would have folded in a sec,he seen me playing AQ many times and all the times i had the betting line as here, maybe he was chasing the straight or waiting for a K, dont know.... i read him good here i think, but that doenst my play ok,i know, that is why i posted the hand. i dont have to play like this hands i know, it was a try based on my reads on him and my image at the table. dont play like this is a better and more profitable play, i know
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    Oops, I read the hand wrong; I thought you were the preflop raiser. Still, he could just as easily be betting with a made hand rather than cbetting, though the fact that he was the preflop aggressor does open his range up a bit from what I had considered, I think.

    I'm also not sure how much you should be considering your own table image at 2NL. If you've got reason to think your opponent is solid then you can consider your image, but don't try to get too tricky or you'll just level yourself.
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    with made hands he pots the flop and goes 3bet and even all in is he has no doubt.... forgot to say that . anyway wasnt the best play on that board, i was lucky i know.

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