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    Default Suggestions on better play?

    Willain is 26/15, Call steal from BB is 75%, 3bet 3%, Agg 2.0, No fold to cbet stat as yet, turn aggression frequency is 37% over 100 hands

    Villain would see me about 17/11, butt steal 33%, cbet 70%, turn cbet 32%

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB ($2.04)
    BB ($7.10)
    UTG ($9.60)
    UTG+1 ($4.24)
    MP1 ($7.80)
    MP2 ($10.03)
    CO ($9.60)
    Hero (Button) ($9.43)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, K
    5 folds, Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20

    Fairly standard button raise I think.

    With a call steal from BB % of 75% he has a very wide calling range. I've put him on 22-99, any AXs+, A8o+, KTs+ and T9s+. It could be a lot wider though I suppose. I discount TT-AA and AK as with a 3bet% of 3% I think he would 3bet those.

    Flop: ($0.65) 9, 7, K (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

    Check call has me thinking 99, 77, 97, Kx, A9, A7, T9. T8s is possible though I'm not sure he would have called pre with that. QJ is unlikely but also possible. K9 and K7 are both unlikely but not out of the realms of possibility I suppose.

    Turn: ($1.65) 10 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $1.57, BB raises to $3.14, Hero?

    His check has me thinking he is on a single pair, maybe K with weak kicker or possibly A9, T9. I discount sets as I think he would be betting to protect against the FD now. So I bet believing I am ahead with 2 pair. I bet the pot as I don't want him having the odds to call with some sort of back door FD he has picked up.

    Check call flop, check raise turn? I will admit it has me stumped. Particularly as it is a min raise. Sort of screams of wanting a call to me.

    Sets are a definite possibility. There are now two possible straights out there as well. KT is a distinct possibility now and K9 is a remote possibility.

    Mathematically it depends entirely on A9 and K9 being part of his range - from pokerstove we get....
    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 57.920% 51.86% 06.06% 753 88.00 { KcTc }
    Hand 1: 42.080% 36.02% 06.06% 523 88.00 { TT-99, 77, A9s, KTs-K9s, QJs, A9o, KTo-K9o }

    Take out A9 though as I really think that one is unlikely and our equity goes down to 41.3%. We can probably take out K9 as well as I think it unlikely he would have called preflop with that. Our equity then goes down to 19.69%

    We have to call 19.7%

    So I guess it's at least a call and then see what he does on the river.

    Anyone play the hand differently?
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    change your "call steal" stat to a "fold to steal" stat, otherwise it will count the times he 3bet the same as him folding, so it will obviously be pretty misleading.
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    well.. you have position and your calling 1.57 into 6.36 so you're equity certainly doesnt have to be huge.

    I don't really like betting 1.57 because it looks like you've hit the auto buttons.. when you have a strong hand you typically think more and adjust the bet manually so an auto sized bet probably gets raised more often by agressive villains.

    I don't think you should discount sets because villain can easily think you have a K and therefore you cant have a flush draw. Also his full ring stats are 26/15 so he's not an ABC guy, he's not always going to bet the set when he should.

    if you call, you have 4 outs to a boat, but depending on your villain you may have 9 outs to a river bluff too... Not something to go to the bank with, but its something to consider..
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    his c/r range is 2pairs/sets/straights... so calling i think is bets option here and see river.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scott_owen View Post
    well.. you have position and your calling 1.57 into 6.36 so you're equity certainly doesnt have to be huge.

    I don't really like betting 1.57 because it looks like you've hit the auto buttons.. when you have a strong hand you typically think more and adjust the bet manually so an auto sized bet probably gets raised more often by agressive villains.
    Yeah I did hit the psb button. Normally I do adjust the bet somewhat and don't know why I didn't this time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Razvan729
    his c/r range is 2pairs/sets/straights... so calling i think is bets option here and see river.
    That's kind of what I figured.
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    agree with philly about your hud stats. i use fold SB/BB to steal, and 3bet as resteal from SB/BB. we can thus infer their call %'s by making up the difference to 100%. as for ranges, it's kind of unclear when we're working with specific situations (ie defending blinds, which only has the possibility to happen twice per orbit) without a large sample.

    preflop i'd say something like:
    22-JJ,A5s-AQs,A9o-AQo,KTs+,KJo+,Q9s+,QTo+,J9s+,JTo and some suited connectors like perhaps 65s-T9s, T8s, 97s,

    as an aside note, if you are stealing a decent amount from the CO/BU, you might want to adjust your sizing down to 2.5x or whatever. just a thought.

    on the flop:
    Flop: ($0.65) 9, 7, K (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

    cbetting is obviously standard w/top pair here. i'd say his calling range looks something like
    88,TT,JJ,A7s,A9,KTs+,KJO+,Q9s+,QTo+,J9s+,JTo,76s,8 7s,98s,T9s,T8s

    we are absolutely crushing this range with something like 70% equity.

    he may also have some nut hands like 97s, 99, 77, but i expect most villains to C/R these on the flop some non-zero % of the time. so they can be discounted imo. it's also possible he C/C's some of his prettier ace high hands like AQ,AJ (especially if they contain backdoor flush draws) but without any real reads, who knows.

    Turn: ($1.65) 9, 7, K, 10 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $1.57, BB raises to $3.14, Hero?

    betting here is obv standard because we turn top two, and this card improves his range as well (most of his gutters now have middle pair, some hands now have two pair)

    and he minraises us. i imagine this guy is just doing this with any hand = or > two pair. how many hands from his flop calling range is that?

    TT,KTs,QJs,QJo,T9s,T8s

    against which we have

    Board: Ks 9h 7d Ts
    Dead:
    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 76.860% 72.31% 04.55% 700 44.00 { TT, KTs, QJs, T8s+, QJo }
    Hand 1: 23.140% 18.60% 04.55% 180 44.00 { KcTc }

    and should probably just fold. what if we add in some pair/OESD hands?


    Board: Ks 9h 7d Ts
    Dead:
    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 50.723% 48.45% 02.27% 938 44.00 { JJ-TT, KJs-KTs, QJs, JTs, T8s+, 98s, 87s, KJo, QJo }
    Hand 1: 49.277% 47.00% 02.27% 910 44.00 { KcTc }

    personally, i have no idea which range is more accurate. to be honest, i would just ship the turn if i played this hand, he could even show up with some stupid KQ type hands here that are scared of the wet board. but i don't honestly know which is the best option. you would probably have a better feel for what this line means from a typical 10nler than i would.
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    re:

    Quote Originally Posted by scott_owen View Post
    well.. you have position and your calling 1.57 into 6.36 so you're equity certainly doesnt have to be huge.
    check out this post by carroters (if i'm allowed to link it here?)

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