Maybe I should re-qualify what I just posted. I know that drawing hands are better with more people in the pot, but if people are playing loose passive preflop and aggressive post flop, you are bound to get at least someone hitting the flop better than you, and not giving you proper pot odds to draw:

89 suited in LP.
2 or 3 limpers ahead of you, and you limp also.
Flop comes up 76Q rainbow.
A check, a pot sized bet, and a couple folds.
You can't seriously call here with 2:1 odds drawing to the high end of an OSD. 90% of the time the guy has made a minimum of top pair.

Another example with 67 in early position:
You limp, a few fold, you get a 3xBB raise.
You can't call that and still be making a winning move, can you? Raising would be silly after trying to limp.

Another one. T9 on the button. Early position min raises. Mid position calls, the rest fold, and you call and the blinds call. Flop is TK3. You are on shaky ground once again, mid pair with a weak kicker, against 4 other players.


Maybe I just need help with playing these kinds of hands. But I still think you play them ultimately for a flush or straight. Often if you are playing low cards, you could be losing your stack to a better flush or straight. Hitting it doesn't happen often enough to call raises preflop, imo.