That's what I am getting at kfaess. I do apologize if I came off rude. You have a valid question and I am sorry we hijacked your thread.

(and paratrooper people rarely flat 4bets and if you do the math you can figure out good times to 4bet bluff and show immediate profits as well as forcing villain to push/fold which is good for us too and is a good example of "leverage" that balugawhale talks about a lot)