Quote Originally Posted by wonderland
I'm wondering tho if IOPQ misrepresented himself in those statements though, coz surely people aren't ACTUALLY saying they're committed after 1/3 goes in?
Basically, they're saying that, yeah, so the idea is back up two actions BEFORE you cross the 1/3 threshold and plan out your hand so that when you get to the all-in decision, you don't freak out and fold when you should call. Definitely read PNLH - it's a bigtime help.

Quote Originally Posted by wonderland
Anywho, Robb, you're right, i was just gonna reply saying: so, hang on, this situation is marginal, in which case why are we studying it. So yes, i am surprised that it's a clear cut call on the turn. Me and Dranger were saying the same thing today, scratching our head going: *shrug* not too clear on what we'd do there at all.
Yeah, it's a definite call. People might argue with other points of the hand, but I bloated the pot pre and then raised the flop intentionally, trying to get a ton of chips in because I knew I was ahead of his range. I don't much like the donk shove turn action, but felt I was ahead a good bit more than 25% of the time.

Quote Originally Posted by wonderland
Ah, ranges. This is the new holy grail. Just need to figure out what the best way to study is. Did you say going through PT and working it out? My problem is that most villains i play against i only have like 20-30 hands on.
I will post some range practicing stuff again. I've got a chart I use with "chunks" and pennies to mark combo's. I'll upload and post something in the BC tonight hopefully.

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@Illfavor. I certainly thought I was committed when I raised the flop. If you understand the SPR and 1/3pot threshold theory, you can apply it better. The point is to almost never have a plan disrupted - if it happens too often, like IOPQ says, then there's something wrong with the plan.

But unlike some folks, apparently, I still take a long hard look at reads and ranges before betting the last half of my stack. The theory is that you almost always have "nearly enough" equity to make this call. Seriously, we'd have to think we had 15% equity or less to be sure of a laydown, here, so folding is HORRIBLE without some iron-clad reason to do it.

I understand commitment thresholds and the theory of "plan your hand," I just think it's helpful to do the ranges every hand, every time, and understand WHY folding after 1/3 of your stack is in the middle is such a bad thing.