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    Default Third nuts, looking for a line check

    UTG has been running about 35/17 fairly aggresive over about 70 hands or so. But he's been in 7 of nine on the last orbit, never going to showdown.

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    saw flop | saw showdown

    UTG+1 ($17.61)
    MP1 ($12.43)
    MP2 ($3.27)
    MP3 ($4.93)
    CO ($5.88)
    Button ($1.93)
    SB ($2.12)
    Hero (BB) ($6.99)
    UTG ($4.01)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, 7
    UTG bets $0.15, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.15, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.10

    I'm thinking the T7 might be good enough to defend the BB with this moron: Due to his recent activity I put him on a fairly wide range: All broadways, Ax, 44+, 56s+, 89o+ plus one gappers 68+

    Flop: ($0.47) Q, J, 2 (3 players)
    Hero checks, UTG bets $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30

    Since he's c-bet all of the last 7 he opened I'm figuring that he was betting his whole range.
    Would that be a good guess or should I have tightened his range some?
    I'm also thinking that I've got a pretty strong draw, 3rd nuts and BDSFD so c/c to keep him thinking I'm weak.


    Turn: ($1.07) 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.02, UTG calls $1.02

    Ok, so I hit the flush and lead out about PSB to take it down, now since there was soooooooo much air in his c-bet range. When he called I'm thinking JJ, QQ, QJ, AK, Ax, Kx

    River: ($3.11) 8 (2 players)
    Hero checks, UTG bets $1.65, Hero call or shove?

    I'm definately not folding the hand, but my ? is should I lead out for another PSB, call or c/shove?
    I checked to make him think that I was taking a stab at it on the turn and gave up when he called, hoping that he'll bet the two pair or sets, but his 1/2 PSB made me think that he's trying a suck with THE nuts. Maybe what I tried was too much fancy play shit.

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    If you're going to check the river, then it should be to call an all-in or go all-in when he bets. I would prefer to just shove the river.
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    fold pre makes money
    flop is fine - although not the only option. Your reasoning is poor, i mean, you just start looking like QK/TJ/draws when you check call.
    turn bet is fine, so is check-raise
    river don't check unless you're check-shoving. Better to just shove yourself.
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    River check is really bad, just jam it.
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    Fold Pre even a player 35/17 is not running that loose from UTG FR. Lead river.
    Def Jam over top now.
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    Daven: I agree...fold pre does make money. Here he's been so aggressive during the last orbit that I decided to take a stand with ATC and got a decent flop. Normally I just dump it. Had the flop been a brick I would not have continued.

    All: I was thinking that this was one of the situations that the only hands that'll call a shove on the river would be better hands and he'd drop everything else. Wouldn't I possibly be losing a bet or two from him if I led with a shove where a c/r could get his whole stack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shotglass View Post
    Daven: I agree...fold pre does make money. Here he's been so aggressive during the last orbit that I decided to take a stand with ATC and got a decent flop. Normally I just dump it. Had the flop been a brick I would not have continued.
    don't use faulty reasoning to play badly. This is especially bad if your only plan for winning the hand was two pair ++

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    All: I was thinking that this was one of the situations that the only hands that'll call a shove on the river would be better hands and he'd drop everything else. Wouldn't I possibly be losing a bet or two from him if I led with a shove where a c/r could get his whole stack?
    fish love calling. fish like to check back rivers sometimes. fish hate folding weak made hands for a < pot-sized bet. Fish in this spot has < pot behind. Bet is better. Especially when he's on a roll putting money in every street.
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    Hey, thanks to everyone for the feedback.
    Even though it may have worked this time, in the long run bad PF decisions like this will cost me a lot. I had thought that normally I don't play this kind of garbage, but I checked back through my db and found that playing from the blinds is one of my biggest leaks that I'm going to have to work on.

    Thanks again.

    FWIW...I'd did a c/r he called and showed 3 4 (Hmm, calling a shove as a bluff?)

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