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 Originally Posted by matiusaa
Why would I depress my win rate playing shortstack?
The main reason is that you are limiting the amount that you can win ,and limiting the number of times your opponents can make mistakes because they have less decisions to make before effective stacks are in the pot. Fully stacked the river decisons will be for larger amounts of money and you will have more fold equity as a result.
I know it has more variance, and that means I should have more buy ins.
Over the years i have done many bank roll challenges running up a minute sum to a decent bankroll. At xmas i registered on sky poker and got £10 of tournament tickets.Played 4 SNGs with them and converted them into cash and then half stacked 4nl (lowest stake there) on 2-3 tables initially adding more tables up to 4 as bankroll got to £20 and then increased buyins up to £4 around the £30 bankroll. Got it up to ~£240 in about a month. When your skill level exceeds that of your opponents you want to be able to win as much as you can.
Repeating it again now , 25th of march registered at unibet and got a £10 (12 euro in the poker client) cash game ticket for signing up through my affiliate. Clearance requirement for that ticket was to see 750 flops. By the time i completed the 750 flops and released the value of that ticket into the cashier I had run it up to 69euros in 4-5 days. maximising the player missions and promotions meant that i also scooped 50euros of cash game tickets yesterday, have a 10£ risk free sports bet ticket as well and 15 euros of MTT tickets and 94 euros in the cashier making a pseudo bankroll of 170 euros in 10 days , and that includes playing the FTR FTOPs main event qualifier and winning the 1000$ buyin and playing the main event as well so effectively 8 days of play.Again did it the same way half stacking to minimise the variance when roll was really short and giving myself more buyins and then increasing the number of tables and buyins to maximise the amount i could win.
Unibet has lots of people playing 1/2 stacked ,and they can generally be categorized as bad . they want to limit the amount that they can lose . HUDs are banned at both sky and unibet,and unibet allows you to have up to 5 player identities that you can switch between in the client and you can't make notes on players in the client either .As you can see from the screen shot that was when i was coming close to completing the cash game tickets requirement of 750 flops seen. Add up the amounts on the tables and the amount left on the cash game ticket and you will get 68euros. I haven't deposited either so that was done without any deposit bonus to pad it . Assuming 30%ish VPIP and allowing for BB etc it probably means ~ 2500 hands or 1725 bb won in 2500 hands or 69bb/100 winrate and that will have been depressed as well from playing half stacked because of the minute bankroll. As you can see from the screenshots i wasn't ratholing when i doubled up i played really deepstacked by staying on the tables and letting the fish reload and exploiting the leaks i saw them have.
This was on the second days play , had 19euros on the ticket and had bought into these two tables for 2 euros on each table. left hand table bulldog had donated those big stacks to the other players. I finished the left hand table eventually with ~ 25 euros
This is why i said that playing at stars can limit your winrate as well. Sites like sky and unibet have lots of fish, sky from having dedicated poker channels on the tv platform to advertise to people sat at home and unibet as its a big sportsbook so lots of people gambling off their winning s on the poker tables without a clue how to play poker properly.The lack of HUDs and rakeback and hand histories keeps the mass tabling HUD using regs away leaving a really fishy site for people willing to put up with the downsides of the software to win at a rate that they could never hope to achieve on stars.
Do you really think 70 BI is really nitty? I now have 159$ had a great session today, but I' m still playing 2NL but BSS. My plan is to try 5NL SSS once I have 200$, because I want to have 100 BI due to higher variance playing shortstack. I' m feeling comfortable with that amount of buy ins, but do you actually think It would be better to have less BI in these levels? I actually feel like I' m destroying 2NL, I don't have a HUD, but I should have played around 20K hands and I won like 50$ just con cash games. This is about 12,5bb/100. This is only an estimation, and I know 20K hands is a very small sample. And also, I started playing 5NL a month ago but went back to 2NL which I felt I crushed it before, but I cashed out money, and my remaining bank was too small to continue in 5NL. So that's why I went back to 2NL. Do you really advice me Keith to try 5NL?
you are thinking of moving up to 10nl at $200 playing 40bbs, my plan was to move up to 10 nl 100bbs at 200 euros .I actually played 10nl half stacked the last two days of march as there were 200euro cash game tickets available for everyone at a winning table in the prize promotion that unibet were running ,lost some money with QQvs AA allin pre but in term of EV it was worth it just to have a shot at getting that 200euro cash game ticket. Having won the 5*10nl cash game tickets last night it will probably mean that i move up earlier or may continue playing tables of 4nl and 1 tables on the cash game ticket each night as they expire after a week of not playing them or may just see one flop which each ticket to keep them alive until i'm rolled for 10nl. Whatever i'm moving up when bankroll hits 200 with a 6 buyin shot and move back down if variance bites.
I would feel comfortable playing shortstack, because if I play bigstack at 5NL I would have just over 30 BI, and I really feel comfortable playing with 40bb, I have no problem, I just adapt to the table, I don't set mine and play more aggressive.
Any advice would be appreciated, I see you know a lot about this subject and you give good advice. Thanks in advance
you can't set mine profitably with a 40bb stack, you don't get paid off enough so you need 15-20 multiplier to break even and for a 3bb raise you don't have that available.
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