TP+FD

@Kmind

i called pre cause when i played with pokerstove i seen that 78s-9Ts against 2-3 opps with tight ranges like 88+, AQso+, has about 20-25% equity, if opps ranges are wider then my equity improves also. when was my turn to act i was getting 3:1 pot odds with 25% equity so i said its ok calling, when BB also called my odds were 4:1.

if its not ok my thinking pls tell me to make it right.

@luck

my mistake i didnt stove it during hand, but i put MP on 88+, 55,22 cause he would call any PP preflop in that position. UTG was not my worry that moment,i have his stats now ( looked in PT3 to be sure) ge is 12/9 AFq 28 176 hands, so he has air here and like i seen him play wont call AI on NFD.

@donachello

i think your hand is a little diff cause stakes, flop action, your hand ( you have 2NFD) and the fact you already are 50% of stack in the pot before BB goes AI. in that hand hand i would call anytime cause of the pot odds , equity and dead money in there.

Originally Posted by Razvan729

@Kmind

i called pre cause when i played with pokerstove i seen that 78s-9Ts against 2-3 opps with tight ranges like 88+, AQso+, has about 20-25% equity, if opps ranges are wider then my equity improves also. when was my turn to act i was getting 3:1 pot odds with 25% equity so i said its ok calling, when BB also called my odds were 4:1.

if its not ok my thinking pls tell me to make it right.

The thing is that PokerStove is for all-in equity so we have to assume we see all 5 community cards. This is almost never the case unless we flop twopair+/OESD/FD and even so we often only see just the turn when we flop one of those draws.

My point, besides what was mentioned above, is that we often don't have the implied odds that we think we do with SCs. They can also be great hands to semi-bluff with but vs. an UTG player plus "Reg" callers then we actually won't be able to use our FE. This makes calling pre suck. However, in THIS spot calling can be fine because we have a certain exception in that the cold caller is a fish. If, say stacks were bigger too, then yeah that's another exception. Or if the UTG player was pretty loose, etc. But then we have to figure out if we should be calling more with mid-SC rather than Axs. That's a whole other discussion.

Preflop seems ok against this given players stats - would you have called against a 12/10?
(I think some people in the thread are asking 'Do you know how tight UTG's range SHOULD be here hence do you know why you are calling and is it 'standard'...)

If you think you have even a little fold equity I raise the flop to shove turn or set up turn bet river shove as a little FE brings your equity up. Also it puts you opponent to difficult decisions - not you (although this makes little difference against stations) and can make them play their hand in a way different from what they would if they could see your cards

However, against your given opponent they'll either never fold a hand like AA here (zomg AA is teh nutz!) no matter if your raise screams set a lot of the time so it may just be worth calling - again id say you can call a close to PSB on the flop as your opp wont give up AA on a flushy turn much if we assume all of the above about their preflop play from HUD stats.