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 Originally Posted by kfaess
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Originally Posted by daven
surely you should be folding pre if you aren't raising that flop?
Not sure I see your logic there. What are you hoping calls us when you raise the flop? Explanation appreciated
My thoughts are if he's aggressive like his stats indicate then he might be cbetting this flop with hands like 99, TT, JJ, 98s, FD's which we can get value from later but prob fold to a raise. We also make him fold bluffs when we raise, which might not necesarily continue bluffing later but could make a weak showdown hand worse than ours.
I like 3-betting pre vs his wide range, I also think that calling pre is fine as it keeps his range wide and you're fine against his range - thing is, this means that his range after his flop bet is still wide. He is c-betting everything on this board and you're ahead a lot, he's also going to call a raise with a lot of bluff-catcher types of hands IF he thinks you can be fos some (e.g. raise 99/AsJs/etc). I agree about the types of hands you think he may be c-betting, i'm just not convinced hat he will fold them to a raise. It's easier to get money in on the flop as there are so many turn cards that will mean you're upset about life (spades/aces/jacks that you'll probably want to check back if checked to) and will have to fold to any turn noise cos you don't really have any reads and TP2k. These same turn cards will fuck with your chances of multi-street value vs his weak made hands too.
I note that zzzz seems to disagree, so i'm actually looking forward to being convinced i'm wrong cos that's a good way to learn pokerz.
Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet
do NOT fold pre, if he's opening tight enough you want to fold but isn't only opening the uber nuts then 3b. also there is no NEED to raise the flop here it's actually pretty fin bad here.
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