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    Default Turning hands into bluffs

    I just read this thread:

    http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...op-184938.html


    And realized I didn't know what it meant to turn a hand into a bluff. Could somebody explain this to me please?
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    My understanding of it (and please don't beat me up if I'm wrong ) is that there's a few things that are required to turn a made hand into a bluff. You need to be able to place the villain on a hand fairly accurately; that hand has to beat yours; and you bet or float to bluff him into thinking his hand looses.
    An example would be:
    Hero Js; Jc
    Villain ?
    hero opens 3.5bb; villain raises to 9bb; hero calls
    you have a read that puts him on something like AQo
    Flop: Qs, As, 4s
    If he has what you can pretty accurately place him on then his 2pr beats your JJ but you can bet the flop hard as a semi-bluff to rep the flush and still have outs.

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    betting/raising to get better hands to fold...not for value.
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    It's just bluffing when you have a better hand than what you would normally consider for bluffing, like with a weak pair.
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    There is no recipe to bluff but I think bluffing is about playing with the mind of your opponent, making him to believe he is going to lose with the best hand. Youve got to feel his insecurities, his fears, on live games you can talk and intimidate. I find quite usefull to create a funny mood at the table, making jokes and stupid plays when the pot is small and when it matters I attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acemonk View Post
    There is no recipe to bluff but I think bluffing is about playing with the mind of your opponent, making him to believe he is going to lose with the best hand. Youve got to feel his insecurities, his fears, on live games you can talk and intimidate. I find quite usefull to create a funny mood at the table, making jokes and stupid plays when the pot is small and when it matters I attack.
    Or you could skip the Jedi Mind Trick shit and just bet into weak ranges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acemonk View Post
    There is no recipe to bluff but I think bluffing is about playing with the mind of your opponent, making him to believe he is going to lose with the best hand. Youve got to feel his insecurities, his fears, on live games you can talk and intimidate. I find quite usefull to create a funny mood at the table, making jokes and stupid plays when the pot is small and when it matters I attack.
    How do stupid plays consistently improve your image without being super -EV(pots to showdown are bigger, or you're just trying to make an open limping range and trying to balance it or something?)?

    edit-OP, turning a hand into a bluff is just when its more +EV to do so than not (usually with a hand that you think it would be more profitable not to), i.e. your hand has showdown value, but it actually doesn't vs villains range. You choose to turn it into a bluff, not because it's the only way you can win the hand, but because in this scenario it may be more +EV to do so than checking down.
    Last edited by Imthenewfish; 01-09-2011 at 05:42 PM.
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    Also there are times when the bottom of your range has showdown value, and you decide to have a bluffing range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Acemonk View Post
    There is no recipe to bluff but I think bluffing is about playing with the mind of your opponent, making him to believe he is going to lose with the best hand. Youve got to feel his insecurities, his fears, on live games you can talk and intimidate. I find quite usefull to create a funny mood at the table, making jokes and stupid plays when the pot is small and when it matters I attack.
    Or you could skip the Jedi Mind Trick shit and just bet into weak ranges.

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