When do complete moron fish stop showing up?

At what stakes (on ftp/stars) do you stop seeing complete morons (those who donk off 100bb's with TP/weak draws/etc.) on a regular basis? I remember seeing them quite regularly at $100nl right at the end of the pre-frist era. When do they go missing these days?

man I don't know. I've seen morons at every limit i've sat down at, up to 600nl... hence the important of table selection.

Morons/fish do not practice bankroll management.... so never?

so you see them like every session even all the way up to 1000nl?

I've found personally on iPoker that the amount of total morons halves as you move up, so at 10NL 60%, 20NL 30%, 50NL 15%, etc..

Though the problem is by the time you've got to 100NL the moron fish often buy in for the minimum anyway.

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

so you see them like every session even all the way up to 1000nl?

Every session if you multi table for a few hours, sure. Obviously they become more seldom as the limits increase.

i see a big drop off at 25NL, but they are there. there just arent 2-3 on every 6max table like at 10NL.

i'm sure the higher you go, the harder they are to find. networks prolly make a difference, too. stars is definitely tighter than it used to be BF (before frist).

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

so you see them like every session even all the way up to 1000nl?

Every session if you multi table for a few hours, sure. Obviously they become more seldom as the limits increase.

wow well that's good to hear.

Originally Posted by Chopper

i see a big drop off at 25NL

lol chopper ppl stack off like every 5 secs with TP at 25nl.

dude, how would you know, youve been at the 10's for how long now?

j/k

Originally Posted by Chopper

dude, how would you know, youve been at the 10's for how long now?

j/k

I HAD TO MOVE BACK DOWN CUZ THE STUPID MORON FISH WERE STACKING OFF EVERY 5 SECONDS WITH DRAWS THAT HIT ME FOR 9 BUYINS IN A ROW AHHHHHHHHHH!

$200 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, September 28, 23:30:20 ET 2007
Table Table 130447 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: ICAMEFORYOU ( $275.37 USD )
Seat 2: eointhebon ( $740.60 USD )
Seat 4: fhqwhgadss ( $293.20 USD )
Seat 3: Trainer_jyms ( $200 USD )
Seat 5: TimTingley ( $218.35 USD )
Seat 6: WiggleThb ( $140.60 USD )
TimTingley posts small blind [$1 USD].
WiggleThb posts big blind [$2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Trainer_jyms [ Ah Qh ]
ICAMEFORYOU calls [$2 USD]
eointhebon folds.
Trainer_jyms raises [$10 USD]
fhqwhgadss raises [$34 USD]
TimTingley folds.
WiggleThb folds.
ICAMEFORYOU folds.
Trainer_jyms calls [$24 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, 8h, 3h ]
Trainer_jyms bets [$59 USD]
fhqwhgadss raises [$247 USD]
Trainer_jyms is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]
** Dealing River ** [ Ac ]
fhqwhgadss shows [ As, 9s ]three of a kind, Aces.
Trainer_jyms shows [ Ah, Qh ]a full house, Aces full of Queens.
fhqwhgadss wins $81 USD from side pot #1 with three of a kind, Aces.
Trainer_jyms wins $402 USD from the main pot with a full house, Aces full of Queens.


Still here!!!

lol thx trainer good to see

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

Originally Posted by Chopper

dude, how would you know, youve been at the 10's for how long now?

j/k

I HAD TO MOVE BACK DOWN CUZ THE STUPID MORON FISH WERE STACKING OFF EVERY 5 SECONDS WITH DRAWS THAT HIT ME FOR 9 BUYINS IN A ROW AHHHHHHHHHH!

no offense, i know we have our differences, but could it be that those arent all bad beats? couldnt you have made money elsewhere in your sessions to cover those beats?

you had to move back down because.....(insert another excuse here)...

1ooNL last night. I raised JJ MP to $4, 2 callers, BB raises to $20, I call, SB calls. $64 to the flop = 942. SB open pushes $70, BB pushes over, I fold.
SB shows up with JT, BB shows KK. Here's the funny part, wait for it, wait for it:
The turn comes K
The river comes Q.
The fish hits rnr-rnr str8 for $200BB. He later claimed he was trying to push us off our hands, LOL. J-high trying to push a 3bettor & an original raiser that called a 3bet off there hands on an all under card flop. GMAFB. Fish morons are alive and well at 100NL.

Originally Posted by Chopper

no offense, i know we have our differences, but could it be that those arent all bad beats? couldnt you have made money elsewhere in your sessions to cover those beats?

you had to move back down because.....(insert another excuse here)...

lol nice try chopper. i know what is and isn't a bad beat. i also know what situations are unavoidable (like losing 50bb's to a 1/2 stack when they flop a set vs. your AA overpair). when those things happen a bunch of times in a row that is called a downswing. i had a downswing as soon as i moved up. i played well during the downswing. i didn't start chasing and i didn't start getting scared and passive and i didn't turn into an aggro-spew monster. it happened and i accepted it and moved back down to buff the roll back up.

If this hand is any indication, as long as I sit down at a table there is at least one moron fish looking to get stacked

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 ($35)
MP2 ($59.20)
MP3 ($11.25)
CO ($82.15)
Button ($34.20)
Hero ($50.25)
BB ($49.75)
UTG ($50)
UTG+1 ($157.20)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, J.
6 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, BB calls $1.

Flop: ($3.25) 9, 4, T (3 players)
Hero bets $2.5, BB raises to $6, Hero calls $3.50.

Turn: ($15.25) 6 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $5.5, Hero raises to $16, BB raises to $32, Hero raises to $58.75 (All-In), BB calls $15.75 (All-In).

River: ($110.75) 3 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $110.75

Results in white below:
Hero has Ks Js (flush, king high).
BB has As Ts (flush, ace high).
Outcome: BB wins $110.75.

I think villain played the hand fine, don't you?

I prefer raising again on the flop, btw.

Yep, he most certainly did....was refering to myself in the first line though

lol i got your joke knyte

in that case, nh donk

Still there


$100 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, October 03, 00:57:23 ET 2007
Table Table 131543 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: GuruGeorge ( $125.38 USD )
Seat 5: alptdpt ( $28.62 USD )
Seat 3: Trainer_jyms ( $98.50 USD )
Seat 1: Tourist3000 ( $101.01 USD )
Seat 2: Ritschii ( $51.40 USD )
Seat 6: booby_miles ( $82.73 USD )
GuruGeorge posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
alptdpt posts big blind [$1 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Trainer_jyms [ Qs Qc ]
booby_miles folds.
Tourist3000 folds.
Ritschii raises [$4 USD]
Trainer_jyms raises [$14.50 USD]
GuruGeorge folds.
alptdpt folds.
Ritschii calls [$10.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, Js, 7d ]
Ritschii checks.
Trainer_jyms bets [$24.50 USD]
Ritschii is all-In.
Trainer_jyms calls [$12.40 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6c ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kc ]
Trainer_jyms shows [ Qs, Qc ]a pair of Queens.
Ritschii shows [ Kd, Jd ]two pairs, Kings and Jacks.
Ritschii wins $101.30 USD from the main pot with two pairs, Kings and Jacks.


just not sure who it was this time.

i play at 5/10nl. Fish at every stakes baby!

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

i play at 5/10nl. Fish at every stakes baby!

I thought you were running like shit. Things got better?

Never dude. Think Andy Beal.

A blackjack player in his youth, in 2001 Beal began visiting the Bellagio in Las Vegas to participate in high stakes poker games, especially heads-up Texas hold 'em. During several visits between 2001 and 2004, Beal played a syndicate of professional poker players known as "The Corporation", which included Doyle "Texas Dolly" Brunson, Todd "Darkhorse" Brunson, Ted Forrest, Jennifer Harman, Howard "The Professor" Lederer, Phil Ivey, Gus Hansen, Barry Greenstein, Chau Giang, and others.

Beal hoped to force the collective group of pros into such high stakes that their play would be influenced by the amount of money at risk. By the end of their encounters in 2004 they were playing $100,000/$200,000 Limit Texas Hold 'Em heads up with more than $20 million on the table. This story was chronicled in Michael Craig's book, The Professor, the Banker, and the Suicide King: Inside the Richest Poker Game of All Time.

While the games outlined in Craig's book ended in 2004, Beal returned to Las Vegas from February 1-5, 2006 to again take on "The Corporation" in a $50,000/100,000 Limit Hold 'Em match at the Wynn Las Vegas Casino. Opponents included Todd Brunson, Jennifer Harman, Ted Forrest, and others.

On February 5, 2006, Beal was down $3.3 million (USD). He then returned to the Wynn a week later, and won approximately $13.6 million from the Corporation during daily poker sessions from February 12-15.[1] The games resumed February 21-23, with Phil Ivey representing the Corporation against Beal at limits of $30,000/60,000 and $50,000/100,000. During these three days, Beal lost $16.6 million.

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

Originally Posted by Chopper

dude, how would you know, youve been at the 10's for how long now?

j/k

I HAD TO MOVE BACK DOWN CUZ THE STUPID MORON FISH WERE STACKING OFF EVERY 5 SECONDS WITH DRAWS THAT HIT ME FOR 9 BUYINS IN A ROW AHHHHHHHHHH!

ROFL

Originally Posted by givememyleg

A blackjack player in his youth, in 2001 Beal began visiting the Bellagio in Las Vegas to participate in high stakes poker games, especially heads-up Texas hold 'em. During several visits between 2001 and 2004, Beal played a syndicate of professional poker players known as "The Corporation", which included Doyle "Texas Dolly" Brunson, Todd "Darkhorse" Brunson, Ted Forrest, Jennifer Harman, Howard "The Professor" Lederer, Phil Ivey, Gus Hansen, Barry Greenstein, Chau Giang, and others.

Beal hoped to force the collective group of pros into such high stakes that their play would be influenced by the amount of money at risk. By the end of their encounters in 2004 they were playing $100,000/$200,000 Limit Texas Hold 'Em heads up with more than $20 million on the table. This story was chronicled in Michael Craig's book, The Professor, the Banker, and the Suicide King: Inside the Richest Poker Game of All Time.

While the games outlined in Craig's book ended in 2004, Beal returned to Las Vegas from February 1-5, 2006 to again take on "The Corporation" in a $50,000/100,000 Limit Hold 'Em match at the Wynn Las Vegas Casino. Opponents included Todd Brunson, Jennifer Harman, Ted Forrest, and others.

On February 5, 2006, Beal was down $3.3 million (USD). He then returned to the Wynn a week later, and won approximately $13.6 million from the Corporation during daily poker sessions from February 12-15.[1] The games resumed February 21-23, with Phil Ivey representing the Corporation against Beal at limits of $30,000/60,000 and $50,000/100,000. During these three days, Beal lost $16.6 million.

In 3 days? Well, I thought I was having it bad, after having lost $200 in one day a few weeks ago.
Poor bastard.

Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

i play at 5/10nl. Fish at every stakes baby!

I thought you were running like shit. Things got better?

levelled

Harman said that Beal was whooping their ass for a good while because he was fearlessly aggressive. Donk, nonetheless I'm sure, just over rolled.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

i play at 5/10nl. Fish at every stakes baby!

I thought you were running like shit. Things got better?

levelled

I see what you did there.

scariest thing in poker...

the hooker with both hands in your pocket while you are trying to play cards?

or

a rich fish on a heater?

They don't! With good table selection note taking and some datamining you will find fish at all levels.

game selection is key. That is definitely the biggest thing I think that separates winners from BIG winners.

bump

not at 2/4nl anyway (note stack sizes)

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($183.40)
SB ($1000.80)
BB ($666.30)
Hero ($854.50)
MP ($177.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J.
Hero raises to $16, MP calls $16, 2 folds, BB calls $12.

Flop: ($50) J, 6, 5 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $35, MP folds, BB raises to $102, Hero raises to $838.5, BB calls $544.30 (All-In).

Turn: ($1342.60) T (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($1342.60) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $1342.60

wow what did he stack off with?

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

wow what did he stack off with?

two pair ldo

I've found personally on iPoker that the amount of total morons halves as you move up, so at 10NL 60%, 20NL 30%, 50NL 15%, etc..

I agree with this.

Originally Posted by Mikefive

I've found personally on iPoker that the amount of total morons halves as you move up, so at 10NL 60%, 20NL 30%, 50NL 15%, etc..

I agree with this.

iPoker used to be fiiiiiish-fest until huge-ego-2p2-ers started to brag about it. In about a year their 'companions' flooded the net with final result being iPoker increased the traffic n-times but the games are now average, lots of regs, nothing spectacular as it used to be.

Originally Posted by Sheetah

Originally Posted by Mikefive

I've found personally on iPoker that the amount of total morons halves as you move up, so at 10NL 60%, 20NL 30%, 50NL 15%, etc..

I agree with this.

iPoker used to be fiiiiiish-fest until huge-ego-2p2-ers started to brag about it. In about a year their 'companions' flooded the net with final result being iPoker increased the traffic n-times but the games are now average, lots of regs, nothing spectacular as it used to be.

1/2 is full of tables where 6 10/5 nits fold for the blinds. wtf

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Originally Posted by Sheetah

Originally Posted by Mikefive

I've found personally on iPoker that the amount of total morons halves as you move up, so at 10NL 60%, 20NL 30%, 50NL 15%, etc..

I agree with this.

iPoker used to be fiiiiiish-fest until huge-ego-2p2-ers started to brag about it. In about a year their 'companions' flooded the net with final result being iPoker increased the traffic n-times but the games are now average, lots of regs, nothing spectacular as it used to be.

1/2 is full of tables where 6 10/5 nits fold for the blinds. wtf

the games have got better in the past couple of months or so, I think it may be a delayed effect of iPoker banning rakeback.

Originally Posted by Ash256

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Originally Posted by Sheetah

Originally Posted by Mikefive

I've found personally on iPoker that the amount of total morons halves as you move up, so at 10NL 60%, 20NL 30%, 50NL 15%, etc..

I agree with this.

iPoker used to be fiiiiiish-fest until huge-ego-2p2-ers started to brag about it. In about a year their 'companions' flooded the net with final result being iPoker increased the traffic n-times but the games are now average, lots of regs, nothing spectacular as it used to be.

1/2 is full of tables where 6 10/5 nits fold for the blinds. wtf

the games have got better in the past couple of months or so, I think it may be a delayed effect of iPoker banning rakeback.

35% dealt rules.

Actually it's in the past few weeks they've improved. I know there's some UK fish hanging around now due to the Gambling Act allowing advertising on TV.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=59914

Originally Posted by Ash256

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Originally Posted by Sheetah

Originally Posted by Mikefive

I've found personally on iPoker that the amount of total morons halves as you move up, so at 10NL 60%, 20NL 30%, 50NL 15%, etc..

I agree with this.

iPoker used to be fiiiiiish-fest until huge-ego-2p2-ers started to brag about it. In about a year their 'companions' flooded the net with final result being iPoker increased the traffic n-times but the games are now average, lots of regs, nothing spectacular as it used to be.

1/2 is full of tables where 6 10/5 nits fold for the blinds. wtf

the games have got better in the past couple of months or so, I think it may be a delayed effect of iPoker banning rakeback.

Yea, RB is banned but now there are cashback deals, similar to old RB. I don't intend to spam here (and especially since I'm not affiliated with anyone) but if you're interested google for 'cashback ipoker'.

Agree.

The word "moron" and "fish" is all relative, so moron fish that i see you'd probably disagree are moron fish.

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

At what stakes (on ftp/stars) do you stop seeing complete morons (those who donk off 100bb's with TP/weak draws/etc.)

i was mostly just talking about that kind

Yeah i know i was just being annoying!

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Yeah i know i was just being annoying!

lol right on!

I donk off 100BBs with TP all the time. It's okay, though, because I play with the moron fish that donk off 100BBs with 2nd pair.