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    Default Would a raise OTT be a better play?

    I posted this in the no $$$ microstakes thread as well, but I'm wondering if I could have taken a better line. It's only the 2nd orbit and I've been pretty active and aggro, winning 4 of 5, one without showdown, going from a $4 BI (I know, buy in full) to $5.75 and back to ~$5. This is the first hand that I've seen the moron play.

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    Button ($2.88)
    Moron (SB) ($5)
    Hero (BB) ($5.03)
    UTG ($4.16)
    MP1 ($5.31)
    MP2 ($9.18)
    CO ($1.60)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K, Q
    1 fold, MP1 calls $0.05, 1 fold, CO calls $0.05, 1 fold, Moron calls $0.03, Hero checks

    Flop: ($0.20) 5, 10, J (4 players)
    Moron bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, 1 fold, CO calls $0.20

    Turn: ($0.80) A (3 players)
    Moron bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40, CO calls $0.40

    Here I'm thinking that if the river's a blank then at worst I'm chopping three ways, but most likely a couple of busted FD's.

    River: ($2) 7 (3 players)
    Moron bets $0.65, Hero raises to $1.30, 1 fold, Moron raises to $4.35 (All-In), Hero calls $3.05

    Total pot: $10.70 | Rake: $0.53

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    I'd start to get money in on the flop, and the turn. Any heart or having the board pair up could mess up your action.

    And your never chopping here, you have a freeroll to the flush vs any KQ and you have blockers to any flush draw
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    I'd rather raise the flop here given it's a limped pot. Many worse draws can be in there that may call. But, yeah, I would raise the turn too because of the reasons jyms stated.
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    Bunch of limpers... Raise Preflop.... And you can start raising on any street. I would also like a bigger raise on the river. Luckily this guy is a complete spazz....
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    The big mistake here is not raising pre. As played there's obviously no other problem...unless I'm missing something.
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    Agree with raise flop / raise turn for the same reasons given above. Get it in if reraised on the flop (except maybe if reraiser is a ubernit who only does it with a set, in which case refer to the "how to analyze calling an all in" thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyPoker View Post
    The big mistake here is not raising pre.
    Why would my big mistake be not to raise pre?
    Don't suited broadways do well in multiway pots?

    When I was reviewing my HH I thought my big f-ups started on the turn but, yeah I should have raised OTF. As aggrssive as I'd been during the first orbit, I figured it was time to change up and play a bit milder.

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    No, when they think your being an aggro tard this is when you don't slwo down, they will be getting things in lighter and you will be farther ahead.
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    raise pre. flop, turn are fine.

    river is lolwtfrudoin

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    Ah, so I might have been able to stack both of them otf or ott instead of just one spazzing when I tried to induce by CiB.

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    there's so much worse stuff they can call with pre and quite a bit of dead money out there. I raise this pre like 100%.

    As played, I don't mind a flop flat for a couple reasons since he lead for pot and I don't expect anyone to fold a T or J to a raise. Plus, if more ppl call behind you you're getting better odds to draw and there are more ppl to potentially stack.

    I don't mind flatting turn too much

    River you def have to raise bigger

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