Bode's drive to rebuild a bankroll

Time for another operation thread.

From Nov. 1st to Dec. 15th last year, my BR plummeted from a high of ~$2700 to a measily low of $1000 due to the combination of a bad downswing in the beginning + tilt + horrible spewy play. Ive taken a fairly long break from playing from mid December to about a week ago and once again feel like im ready to dive back into poker and grind out a new BR. Right after christmas i withdrew $500 to buy a Wii and purchase PT3 (when i thought it would be out at the beginning of the month) leaving myself with a $500 BR to work with. I decided to cash out 1/2 my BR because to really accompish what i want this time (to actually learn to play fundamentally sound poker) i need to start the grind completely over. While i could have done this at 50nl, i feel like starting back at 25nl is the better choice.

Im currently playing 25nl at UB to take advantage of bonus + rakeback but if Stars offers a decent reload bonus any time soon ill probly transfer my roll back there because id like to reach supernova this year. Ive played about 4k hands so far this month and am -1 buyin right now. I was up 3.5 buyins through 3k hands but last night i lost 4+ buyins, mostly due to QQ<AA, a FD hitting for a 300bb pot vs my overpair, and my J high flopped flush getting overflushed by a K high flush that villain flopped. Im not really upset about last night because that shit happens.

Ill try to post a few interesting hands from the last 2 sessions when i get home tonight.

My goals for this Operation (and this year) are to progress though the small stakes and be playing 200nl+ by the end of the year. Ill follow the 20x buyin rule up through 100nl and will take limited shots at 18 buyins. I will wait until my BR reaches $5k to move up to 200nl full time.

Wish me luck!

good luck!!

ps. good thing to start at 25NL untill 1k. I'm sure you'll be able to move up soon

What are you planning to change from before? To reach a new destination, you must also take a new path. Some things I would suggest,

1) less tables, learn more poker and grind less
2) More buyins, try playing "overrolled" move up at 30 instead of shots.
3) forget hands and start working on tons more PT analyzing of your game.

This is what I have done since the new year, and it is working out immeasurably.

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

What are you planning to change from before? To reach a new destination, you must also take a new path. Some things I would suggest,

1) less tables, learn more poker and grind less
2) More buyins, try playing "overrolled" move up at 30 instead of shots.
3) forget hands and start working on tons more PT analyzing of your game.

This is what I have done since the new year, and it is working out immeasurably.

im not sure im patient enough for the 30 buyin thing, but i am playing less tables. Ive been 6 tabling 6 max games, and so far i havent been rushed too much to make any decisions and am able to take decent notes. My biggest focus right now is taking the time to think each hand through before i act. I have (had hopefully) a tendency to just mash the button and act on my first instinct (usually to just gambooool!). Ive controlled it for the most part but did it once last night when i wish i would have analyzed the situation a bit more.

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

3) forget hands and start working on tons more PT analyzing of your game.

forgot to mention this. After i get maybe 20k hands in this year im going to go through Pokey from 2+2's guide to PT and analyze my play. I did this last year in sept/oct and found a few leaks which i think ive plugged, mostly stuff in HU pots. My WWSF so far this month/year is at ~44%, much better than my 38% from last year.

Im also going to watch way more CR videos than i did last year. Im shooting for atleast 2 per week, but 3 or 4 wouldnt hurt. Anyone have any suggestions on good vids that reinforce fundamentals or ones that particularly helped your games?

all the early ABA vids, the PhilJ man vid and any green plastic vids. A few are hit and miss, but if you stay away from muddywatters videos and stick to GP or stinger you will be ok.

Originally Posted by bode

My WWSF so far this month/year is at ~44%, much better than my 38% from last year.

First of all I wish you very well with the operation. Secondly, any specific things you changed to get your W$WSF better? I know that seems pretty generic but any advice on anything leaks you plugged would be great.

Originally Posted by kmind

Originally Posted by bode

My WWSF so far this month/year is at ~44%, much better than my 38% from last year.

First of all I wish you very well with the operation. Secondly, any specific things you changed to get your W$WSF better? I know that seems pretty generic but any advice on anything leaks you plugged would be great.

really just tightening up slightly UTG and MP, and loosening up slightly OTB. Ive also been playing more aggressively in HU pots. When i was playing more pots OOP (not a ton more however) i was having to give up on alot of pots that i could have stolen in position.

hand 1: Villain is the table coach and pretty bad imo. 36/20/19 (not a typo). Reraise pre? He had raised to 5 or 6x the BB a few times, but never 15 which is why i flat called. He had overbet or pushed postflop a few times with obv. draws on the board because i assume he was scared but never saw a showdown. Call as played?

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SB ($25.11)
Hero ($25.79)
UTG ($40.90)
MP ($34.15)
CO ($41.01)
Button ($24.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K.
UTG raises to $3.75, 4 folds, Hero calls $3.50.

Flop: ($7.60) 4, 7, Q (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $37.15 (All-In), Hero calls ???




hand 2: Villain is 32/13/3 over 125 hands. He has played pretty straightforward and hasnt shown down anything out of line. 3betting the flop seems bad here and screams that we actually have the flush. I really wanted to c/c the turn but when villain bets so weak i think i have to raise to get more money in. I dont know what to make of it when villain calls the turn c/r though. Its hard to put people on a flopped flush, especially when i have one.

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MP ($8.93)
CO ($39.16)
Button ($3.52)
Hero ($32.51)
BB ($25.49)
UTG ($8.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, T.
UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) A, 3, 9 (5 players)
Hero bets $1.25, BB folds, UTG folds, MP folds, CO raises to $2.5, Hero calls $1.25.

Turn: ($6.25) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.25, Hero raises to $7.5, CO calls $5.25.

River: ($21.25) J (2 players)
Hero ???



Ouch... This hand sums up my session last night. Just a constant downslide for 1000 hands. Villain is 52/13/1. Im never folding this and i assume its correct for less than 200bbs.

edit: converter really doesnt like this hand for some reason. fixed.

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Hero ($39.40)
BB ($27.34)
UTG ($7.55)
MP ($11.42)
CO ($39.40)
Button ($9.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K.
2 folds, CO raises to $0.85, Button calls $0.85, Hero raises to $3.75, 1 fold, CO raises to $39.5o and is all in, Button folds, Hero snap calls.

flop: 9 7 4

turn: 2

river: 6

Final Pot: $78.80

CO flips 66 obv.

Hand 1: At 25nl I would get this in pre and I am definitely calling the flop as played. Side note wow 19 aggro factor.

Hand 2: I like how you played it although 3 betting flop isn't bad. You have about a psb left so I would put it in. Its a cooler if he's got a better flush. Ace with a spade plays this exact same, make him want to make a hero call.

Hand 3: I don't really understand what happened. I hope you didn't fold though.

A bit to passive for my liking.

hand 1 - 3 bet preflop to about $10-$12 and shove any flop. easy call as played

Hand 2 - try get it in on flop plz thx, i HATE a slowplay here. It does NOT scream flush trying to get it AI on flop.

Hand 3 - fine

Originally Posted by meeloche

Hand 3: I don't really understand what happened. I hope you didn't fold though.

converter messed up. Fixed now and no way i folded.

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

A bit to passive for my liking.

hand 1 - 3 bet preflop to about $10-$12 and shove any flop. easy call as played

what hand that calls a 50bb "3bet" is worse than ours? I get AK in pre a fair amount, but the huge raise just threw me off.

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

Hand 2 - try get it in on flop plz thx, i HATE a slowplay here. It does NOT scream flush trying to get it AI on flop.

What hands am i repping if i b/3bet the flop besides a flopped flush/33/A3 maybe? I know its a higher variance play calling because i have to give up if another spade hits but i just dont see someone with a bare ace here playing back hard enough. I suppose with 32 vpip villain could be limping behind with A3/A9/33/spades/???. Idk, i guess alot of those hands are going to want to put money in on this flop since its hard to give credit for a flopped flush.

A K of Spades will likely call a 3bet, esp if it has a pair to go with it. sets don't fold either. I doubt that a 2 pair is going to fold this flop. The other issue is, how often do flopped flushes 3bet flops? how often are your opponents actually thinking about what you have/could have?

Well I wud do what I mentioned anyway. ppl who raise so big do suck, he cud easily have worse pairs, weaker Ax easily

no stats/reads. coverter doesnt like this one either.

standard?

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CO ($25.43)
Button ($24.30)
SB ($33.21)
Hero ($25.63)
UTG ($3.91)
MP ($23.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q.
1 fold, MP raises to $0.85, 1 fold, Button raises to $3.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9.25, MP folds, Button raises to $24.30 and is All In, Hero calls $15.05.

Yep standard.

couple of hands from tonight

hand 1: villain is 21/3/1 over 60 hands.

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SB ($13.09)
BB ($6.78)
UTG ($39.53)
MP ($7.44)
Hero ($42.20)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, 7.
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, SB calls $0.75, BB calls $0.60.

Flop: ($2.55) J, A, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.85, SB calls $1.85, BB folds.

Turn: ($6.25) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB calls $4.

River: ($14.25) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6.4(puts villain all it)


hand 2: villain is 56/1/1 over 100 hands. The table broke down and we were playing HU for about 50 of the hands. He hasnt done anything really stupid but is your standard weak/passive donk. Is this river bet fine?

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Hero ($67.30)
MP ($26.25)
CO ($5.90)
Button ($24.84)
SB ($6.53)
BB ($8.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K.
Hero raises to $0.85, 1 fold, CO calls $0.85, Button calls $0.85, SB calls $0.75, BB calls $0.60.

Flop: ($4.25) A, Q, 9 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets $2.75, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls $2.75, CO folds.

Turn: ($9.75) A (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($9.75) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $5


hand 3: villain is 40/9/2 over 85 hands. turn play? is this a pair + Ac enough to stick it in?

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SB ($13.44)
BB ($10.23)
UTG ($39.40)
MP ($7.11)
Hero ($33.04)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7, 6.
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, 1 fold, BB calls $0.60.

Flop: ($1.80) 6, A, 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.8, BB calls $1.80.

Turn: ($5.40) T (2 players)
BB bets $5.4 Hero ??? (villain only has like 8 behind)


hand 4: villain is 51/19/2 over only 30 hands. He seems more solid than his stats suggest.

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Hero ($24.99)
UTG ($54.49)
MP ($22.49)
Button ($25.48)
SB ($24.18)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, A.
UTG raises to $0.85, 2 folds, SB calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3.75, UTG calls $2.90, SB calls $2.90.

Flop: ($11.25) 9, 3, A (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $7.5, SB folds, Hero raises to $21.24 and is All In

1) Marginal pre, as played I play same.

2) I think b/f flop is better as played it c/f the rest of the way, I think this is an ace or better a lot.

3) Yeah put him in 100%

4) I play same. Don't say his stats are misleading just because he had AK

Originally Posted by meeloche

1) Marginal pre, as played I play same.

youre not raising A7o on the button when folded to? is it the shorty in BB that discourages this?

Originally Posted by meeloche

4) I play same. Don't say his stats are misleading just because he had AK

Its not that, its just that his sample size was pretty small and he was playing much better than his 50/20 stats suggest.

Hand 2 looks like an incredibly easy c/f.

[quote="bode"]

Originally Posted by meeloche

1) Marginal pre, as played I play same.

youre not raising A7o on the button when folded to? is it the shorty in BB that discourages this?

That is part of it, mostly I found it was a big looser for me so I just stopped playing it. I'll raise any suited ace from the button but only A90+. I'd rather play a sc or gaper for a raise from the button. The problem is at these stakes you get called by any ace and against bad shorties I find it hard to fold tp so it just made me spew a lot post flop.

Stealing in general and esp with A rag depends on blinds stacks, our image, opp ability etc.

A2-A8 can be tough to play postflop but they shud be part of your stealing range.

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

Stealing in general and esp with A rag depends on blinds stacks, our image, opp ability etc.

A2-A8 can be tough to play postflop but they shud be part of your stealing range.

Yeah, im stealing with any Ace when folded to OTB. Usually in the CO im betting when folded to with A9o+ and any Axs. I feel like a play the weak reverse implied odds type ace hands fairly well post flop so im not spewing with them when i hit TP too much. After i get a few K more hands in my DB for this year im going to go through PT with a fine tooth comb and look at some of the hands im losing money on and cut those out of my range.

looks like ill be putting in quite a few hands over the next few weeks since im out of work. Had a decent day today playing 1700 hands for +$45 and +$8ish in bonus.

some hands from today. edit: fucking converter screws up my UB hands every time i post. Can we get this fixed maybe?


hand 1: villain is a huge spew monkey and insta pots it whenever hes checked to. its almost like he tries to float every pot he plays.

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UTG ($25.34)
Button ($26.68)
SB ($24.15)
Hero ($33.92)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A.
1 fold, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero raises to $1.1, Button calls $0.85, SB folds.

Flop: ($2.45) K, T, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.75, Button raises to $3.5, Hero calls $1.75.

Turn: ($9.45) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $9.45, Hero bets $29.32, Button calls $22.08 and is all in, Hero is returned $7.24 uncalled.

River: ($37.80) 6 (2 players)

Final Pot: $28.35

Results in white below:
Hero has Kd Ah (two pair, kings and sixes).
Button has Td As (two pair, tens and sixes).
Outcome:


hand 2: i was kind of confused about how to play this one. Villains line seems like he has a FD here for sure, and i think i played it correctly against the FD. Did I? Is the flop a fold ever? Villain is nitty 14/8/2 over 150 hands. During this hand his HUD stats werent up yet, but after reviewing my session and seeing he is nitty it makes me think he wouldnt be as prone to raising his FD's as much. Thoughts?

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BB ($27.03)
Hero ($28.63)
Button ($24.05)
SB ($14.73)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, T.
Hero raises to $0.85, Button calls $0.85, 2 folds.

Flop: ($2.05) 4, A, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.65, Button raises to $4, Hero calls $2.35.

Turn: ($10.05) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($10.05) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $6, Button calls $6.

Final Pot: $22.05

Results in white below:
Hero has Ah Td (one pair, aces).
Button has As Qs (one pair, aces).
Outcome:


hand 3: this one is just embarrasing. Villain was crazy bluffy and when he b/3bet the turn (if you can really call it that) he was angle shooting in the chat box. Should have folded for sure but it just looks way too bluffy and i went with my gut.

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Button ($28.21)
SB ($26.28)
BB ($12.79)
UTG ($44.12)
Hero ($45.88)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, 5.
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.85, 1 fold, SB raises to $1.45, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.60.

Flop: ($3.15) 4, K, A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($3.15) 6 (2 players)
SB bets $0.25, Hero raises to $3.9, SB raises to $24.83, Hero calls.

River: ($11.20) Q (2 players)

Final Pot: $11.20

Results in white below:
SB has Ad Ks (two pair, aces and kings).
Hero has As 5s (one pair, aces).
Outcome:

hand 2: a 14/8 limp called AQ from the buton? I probably play it same i don't' know if i see his line as a fd though.

Originally Posted by meeloche

hand 2: a 14/8 limp called AQ from the buton? I probably play it same i don't' know if i see his line as a fd though.

no limp call, he just called OTB.

poker is so discouraging sometimes. Ive been bad beat so many times in the last 6k hands i cant even count them. The EV graph above is now way out of date.

After my last session (two 2 outer suckouts FTL!):
actual winnings = -$83.53
Equity Ajusted = +$187.61

Hopefully this shit ends soon because i need a nice heater.


Semi interesting hand from today. Villain is 15.5/9/1.5 over 500 hands. I think hes raising 99/JJ/AQ/AK but idk what to really put him on here. I dont really think the 5 helps him much either because i cant see him floating OOP on this board. I havent really been too out of line either.

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UTG ($23.60)
MP ($26.34)
CO ($24.64)
Button ($25)
SB ($10.45)
Hero ($50.63)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, A.
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $1.25, MP calls $1, SB folds.

Flop: ($2.75) 9, A, J (2 players)
Hero bets $2, MP calls $2.

Turn: ($6.75) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, MP raises to $10, Hero ???

nice first session today: 500 hands for +$107. Ill probably put in atleast one more session today but maybe only another 500 hands. Ive played 2000 hands each of the last 2 days 6 tabling and i would like to continue that until i find a new job.

solid day. played 2 really solid sessions today at 25nl and after some super fish sucked out on me towards the end he challenged me to HU. So i obliged. He was up 2.5 buyins on me and i made a sick calldown on the last hand before he quit.

I dont even know how to begin to explain these 2 hands, but i knew i was good in both. Obv the first one is kind of standard, especially against this fish. He was just potting and over potting it everytime he was weak and luckily he didnt suck out this time. If he had the Ace he would have only bet 1/4-1/3 of the pot in the second hand.


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BB ($199.60)
Hero ($94.80)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, 6.
Hero raises to $1.5, BB calls $1.

Flop: ($3) T, A, Q (2 players)
BB bets $3, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($9) J (2 players)
BB bets $9, Hero raises to $30, BB calls $21.

River: ($69) A (2 players)
BB bets $69, Hero calls $60.30 (All-In).

Final Pot: $189.61

Results in white below:
Hero has Kd 6c (straight, ace high).
BB has Jh 8d (two pair, aces and jacks).
Outcome:



400 bb pot w/ 2nd pair weak kicker FTW!!!

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Button ($104.80)
Hero ($189.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, T.
Button calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.5, Button calls $1.

Flop: ($3) 9, J, A (2 players)
Hero bets $3, Button raises to $12, Hero calls $9.

Turn: ($27) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $27, Hero calls $27.

River: ($81) K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $64.3 (All-In), Hero calls $64.30.

Final Pot: $209.6

Results in white below:
Button has Js 5s (one pair, jacks).
Hero has Jc Tc (one pair, jacks).
Outcome:

My BR hit $1000+ tonight and im not one to pussy foot around so im going to jump right into 50nl. I have a dilema though. UB's 50nl tables are BBJ and that eats up between 2-2.5ptbb/100. Since UB fucked with their RB structure since the last time i played there, RB+Bonus only make up ~2ptbb/100. So its basically a wash playing the BBJ tables so I think its time to move back to Stars. Even though theres no RB or bonus there I come out the same and can use FPP's to buy bonuses occaisionally. I think making Supernova on Stars is a good goal for the year for me and by that time i should have enough FPP's to get 2 $1500 bonuses.

I cant play much the next 2 days so im going to cash out tonight and hopefully i can get my money onto stars by thursday and start grinding again. Ive played 20k hands so far this month (10k since the 23rd when i got laid off) and i want to play as much as i can until i find a new job.

GL with the 50NL.

January: good start to rebuilding a bankroll. my current BR is $1300 and I'd like to get in enough hands this month to be playing 100nl by March 1st. Im not going to start a new job for atleast another 10 days but it may be 2 weeks so my goal is to put in 1500-2000 hands on average each day until i start.

+$100 bonus and $150 rakeback.

wtf happened at 17.5k hands?

Way to go bode! Keep it going

Originally Posted by XTR1000

wtf happened at 17.5k hands?

ha ha. i had a huge fish challenge me to HU so i obliged. He started the match by sucking out on me in 2 300bb pots and i finished the match by winning 2 400bb pots in a row. Both HHs are a couple posts above. It was only 50nl HU though.

gogogogogogogogo bode!

wow, just wow. ive never taken as many beats as i did tonight in such a short period of time. so so so many fish at the tables and they raped me so hard. Im proud of myself for not tilting even the slightest bit during this. I just reloaded my stack and kept playing my "A" game. Normally i set a stop loss at 4 buyins but i had position on the table donator at 5 of my 6 tables. back to the grind tommorow i guess.

unreal day today. My first session today, at like 1:00am was 1000 hand for -$225. Its the graph above basically, dont really kn0w why its says -300. I played fine and got coolered/bad beat out of my fucking mind. Came back in my second session today, 10:00pm and lost another -$225. This session started with me getting coolered like crazy to the tune of 3 buyins and then me playing shitty/tilting off another -$75. Then i played my last session, starting at 11:45pm until 2:00am on the 3rd and I won back $235. Ive never been so glad to lose $220 in a day. Ive never had such a sick day like today but im glad i stayed calm, played well and stacked a few fish to regain my confidence. I played just over 4000 hands today so im going to take tommorow off probly.

wtf double post

aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!1!1!1!!!!!! wtf a double post on my edit for another double post.

That graph looks lovely

1000 hand session this afternoon and i still run like shit. AA got cracked 4 times, all 4 got in on the flop and 3 of them were way ahead. One was against a set so im not really pissed about it.

well, looks like im dropping back down to 25nl for a while. I lost 7 buyins total yesterday over 4k hands. With a $850 BR i sat down for 1 last session today to see if I could put something together before i moved down and lost 3 buyins. Equity adjusted for the session was +$48 so i was 4 buyins in the wrong direction equity wise. I need to take a day or 2 off because i cant take the fucking variance. I tilted 1 buyin off last night at the end of the session. I was starting to turn things around when i ran KK into AA pre for 80bbs. I then tilted off a full buyin 3betting JTs OTB and getting it all in vs JJ on a Txx flop. Needless to say I shut it down after that.

Anyways, im done ranting and will be moving back to 25nl until i make another $300.

played a 1500 hand session this afternoon for +$56. I was down 3 full buyins almost immediately due to 2 suckouts and a bad 3 street bluff but battled back and played well. I lost 150bbs on one of my last hands with bottom set vs top set but oh well, that shit happens. It was disappointing because i made almost a 7 buyin upswing during my session unil losing that hand. and the guy angle shot me, not that it really mattered. There were 2 hands i played during the session that felt like the right decision equity wise and after looking at them in pokerstove afterwards i was not getting the proper odds like i thought i was.


hand 1: villain was 24/18 over 225 hands and hadnt shown down any trash. Im pretty sure I have 10 clean outs here giving me ~38% equity or so. I was 1.65:1 to hit and only getting 1.3:1 on my money. Thought it was closer while playing. His oversized shove looked like a bluff/air/overpair to me so i talked myself into a call.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($24.65)
SB ($9.75)
Hero ($42.30)
UTG ($42.10)
MP ($44.75)
CO ($18.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 5.
3 folds, Button raises to $1, SB calls $0.90, Hero calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3) 6, 8, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, Button raises to $23.65, SB folds, Hero calls $21.65.


hand 2: villain was 16/1.5/5 over 65 hands. Usually my thinking is TP + FD = get all my money in as fast as i can, and against someone thats fairly aggro here and who doesnt raise/reraise much i think i do ok vs his range but after looking back over i wasnt getting proper odds here either.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($24.10)
BB ($14.30)
UTG ($19.50)
Hero ($38.65)
Button ($27.10)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8, A.
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.10) J, 7, A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.5, BB raises to $13.3, Hero calls $11.80.

also, when the hell did PS 25nl get so god damn aggro? i was getting 3bet, squeezed, bluff shoved on paired boards, and donk bet into like every other hand.

Originally Posted by bode

also, when the hell did PS 25nl get so god damn aggro? i was getting 3bet, squeezed, bluff shoved on paired boards, and donk bet into like every other hand.

That was probably me. Sorry.

BR reached $1k again tonight so its time to move back up to 50nl. I wanted to really base it on stats and total BR so i wasnt just running hot and not playing well but i think i played really well over my 15k hands at 25nl. Here they are.



I need to focus on staying aggresssive when i move up and keep up the 20/17 stats and not revert to the 18/15 i was running last time i moved up. I play much better at 20/17 and get played back at much more than when im nitting it up more. I played an 800 hand session 6 tabling 50nl at the end of the night and won $63, so that went well. I start back to work next monday so i'd like to keep putting in alot of hands until then. Ive played 25k hands this month so far so i want to keep up the 2k hands/day until i start back at work. I try to get back to posting some hands in here after each day.

Your wwsf seems low for how aggro your AF is?

bode,

consider getting your roll up to at least 50BI for 50NL

Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer

bode,

consider getting your roll up to at least 50BI for 50NL

Thats a joke right?

Originally Posted by meeloche

Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer

bode,

consider getting your roll up to at least 50BI for 50NL

Thats a joke right?

Not really.

I always advocate overrollaments

20BI at any given level (which isn't, like, say 5NL) is pretty low imo

I'll never be comfortable sitting with 5% of my roll at a single table, let alone my usual 3 or 4 (That would be 20% of my roll in play at any given moment)

Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer

Originally Posted by meeloche

Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer

bode,

consider getting your roll up to at least 50BI for 50NL

Thats a joke right?

Not really.

I always advocate overrollaments

20BI at any given level (which isn't, like, say 5NL) is pretty low imo

I'll never be comfortable sitting with 5% of my roll at a single table, let alone my usual 3 or 4 (That would be 20% of my roll in play at any given moment)

im perfectly comfortable with 20 buyins at 50nl, even playing 6-8 tables. Its been beat to death in the past, but it shouldnt matter how many tables you are playing given that you are used to playing that number and play your A game, which i do. I have no problem dropping down levels at all and usually give myself 3-4 buyins each time i move up and if i lose it then i drop down immediately. I think i will try to give myself 25 buyins when i make it back up to 100nl this time, but 50 is just way overkill for me. more power to you if thats what makes you comfortable Jack, but its a personal thing and im comfortable with the gamble.

Originally Posted by meeloche

Your wwsf seems low for how aggro your AF is?

whats would be a good number here? i think you mentioned this in the 50nl stat check i did a week or so ago and some other people said it was fine. I was always under the impression that anything over 40 is good. And ive worked hard on just getting it up from the 38% it was at last year and its made a world of difference.

eh, triple post, whatever.

One thing ive noticed about my WWSF is that its always like 45-46% through the start of my session and that it gradually drops down to 40-41% at the end. My cbetting does the same thing and im pretty sure the two are tied together. One of the small leaks i still have to plug is cbetting a bit more. My cbet % is only at 62% over a 50k hand sample so far this year, and i want to get this up to 66-67% which i think is more ideal. Im pretty sure that alone would bring my WWSF% up a point or 2.

Originally Posted by meeloche

Your wwsf seems low for how aggro your AF is?

i still think im getting to too many rivers and folding too often. I think im making correct folds on the river, but my problem is getting there in the first place. Yet another leak i need to plug.

Your flop AF is over 6 and you're worrying you're not cbetting enough?

Yeah I don't really know what an ideal number is. Basically at 25 and 50nl I was cbetting 100% of the time cause I didn't know any better which leads to a really high wwsf. Now I'm trying to think before I c bet and this month i'm around 75% which has actually increased my wwsf%. My AF on flop and turn are like .5 apart which i think is better than high flop and low turn. I think 53 w$@sd is a bit high maybe? I'm just a station so mines always gonna be 49 maybe 50. I dunno if this is helpful, I tried to answer a question and rambled.

As a funny side note my wwsf and w$@sd are 1% apart this month with 47 and 48.

i kind of let my OP thread die again. im going to try and revive it because OP threads have always given me a sort of accountability, especially because im not one to shy away from posting my huge spewy donk plays (see my last OP where i 4bet shoved 72o ). Ive grinded back to 50nl and have a $1450ish BR right now. It was up close to $1700 last night but i had a nightmare session and lost 4.5 buyins. 2 buyins were just pure trash play on my part, the rest was just running shitty.

This month has been kind of funny for me. I tried the whole "dont look at PT until the session is over" thing, which im really terrible at, and after the first session i put in i ran like 28/24/3 over 1000 hands. Now i wasnt checking to "make sure" i was running my normal 19/16 - 20/17 stats, and playing this way felt normal to me. So ive been playing this way for about 4k hands and am going to give it until 10k and re-evaluate. Ive settled closer to a 26-27/23 game and it feels natural and i feel like im playing pretty good postflop poker. I am dropping 2 tables down to 6 so i can focus better though because i definitly get put in alot more tough situations on the turn and river.

One thing that has stuck out about playing this style for me is im only cbetting like 55% of my hands, which seems like it would follow a looser style, but i'd like some input on that from people who are used to playing a laggier game.

cliffs notes: playing laggier this month, loving it, and am going to try and not let this OP thread die like my other ones.

6 tabled 50nl for 650 hands and made $80. I played solid the whole time running like 23/20 and didnt really make any major mistakes. I might have been able to save myself a few bucks here and there but overall played well.

one hand i was confused on. villain is 22/18 over only 35 hands but he seems pretty solid. I had been 3betting alot recently, and 2 times against villain. One time i took it down w/ a cbet and the other i c/f an AKx flop OOP. I block bet the river because i think my hand is good here alot vs busted AhXx hands that may call 1/2 pot for a split basically. Villain took about 15 or so seconds before raising to an amount that looked bluffy and kinda looked like he wanted a call.

thoughts?

edit: obv i 3ball this 95% of the time but decided to mix it up 4 handed and figured i can get some value since my hand is underrepped.

POKERSTARS GAME #15912234928: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/03/11 - 19:26:57 (ET)
Table 'Bootes IV' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Bode-ist ($55.75 in chips)
Seat 2: NickP21 ($54.10 in chips)
Seat 5: h@rder$tyle$ ($115.95 in chips)
Seat 6: rippah66 ($96.95 in chips)
rippah66: posts small blind $0.25
Bode-ist: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bode-ist [Qc Qh]
NickP21: raises $1.50 to $2
h@rder$tyle$: folds
rippah66: folds
Bode-ist: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [4h 7h Jh]
Bode-ist: checks
NickP21: bets $3
Bode-ist: calls $3
*** TURN *** [4h 7h Jh] [Js]
Bode-ist: checks
NickP21: bets $7
Bode-ist: calls $7
*** RIVER *** [4h 7h Jh Js] [7c]
Bode-ist: bets $11.50
NickP21: raises $17 to $28.50
Bode-ist: calls $17

Funny you mention playing laggy this month as I have done the exact same thing with good results. It's a lot more fun and since the players are so bad why not play with them more postflop?

As for the hand above. I don't have any experience playing QQ this way since I just don't do it. Especially when your running laggy you can't really flat QQ if you want any of your 3 bets to be given credit. Post flop I really want to raise the flop so I don't have to c/f the river. I'm probably getting it in on the flop since your hand is so underrepped and you have some equity.

as i said in the thread in SHNL, i never slowplay and really just felt like it here. Villain had been getting fed up i could tell, and i think i can get decent value here because my hand looks so weird and looks like a have a bare FD. I think villain is 2 barrelling here with his AhXx hands as well as hands like TT/99. Since i played it like a donk would play a bare FD i felt that making a weakish bet would get called alot by any pair he had, but when he raised the timing of it as well as my gut i guess just thought i looked bluffy.