Comments about Pingviini's trip to 5/10NL

I am going to give higher stakes a try and I would really appreciate your tips and comments about playing higher stakes.

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get rich or die trying

Originally Posted by gabe

get rich or die trying

50 cent should get killed or die trying.

Stay away from the 1000nl party game, play 600nl on party, or if you feel you must play 1000nl try UB, bodog or noble poker.

Originally Posted by Bmxicle

Stay away from the 1000nl party game, play 600nl on party, or if you feel you must play 1000nl try UB, bodog or noble poker.

What is your reasoning behind this statement?

I'm curious because I am hoping to be up at 5/10 by next summer.

sharky geo

Because the Party 1000nl game is one of the hardest on the net. Why play better players than you have to?

Yeah, its definately beatable, but you have to be good, disciplined and ready to accept some pretty crappy variance for a small win rate. There are just greener pastures to graze in thats all.

Play for the challenge not the money. Playing in a table full of sharks you will increase your skill level very fast.

Originally Posted by TalentedTom

Play for the challenge not the money. Playing in a table full of sharks you will increase your skill level very fast.

This advice is always wrong. Always play for the money, ego be damned.

-'rilla

Originally Posted by TalentedTom

Play for the challenge not the money. Playing in a table full of sharks you will increase your skill level very fast.

lollercopterbbqskates

Seriously though, you have to play for the money, but there is no denying that it will increase your skill level very fast because there are only two options:
1) you increase your skill level to beat the game
2) you bust and i doubt many people say "I just lost 30k but i really wanted a challenge so its alright"

It's one thing losing to donks who are sucking out, but playing against very high quality players is different. It may be worth playing at a game just because there is one very good player there, you can see how he or she plays preflop post flop, and take maybe emulate a few things they do if they indeed are very good.

This is speculation of course, at the level I play such people do not exist, but it is in my nature to be the best I can be, and this is the best way to accomplish it. I look forward to playing with sharks.

I want to play my best at the best games possible, that is, the easiest possible. I always learn something new and when my BR increases I will step up to the next level, that is nl400 again pretty soon.

Looking for toughest games would be plain dumb IMO I am nowadays using some time to find good tables to take their money, not other way around.

What's the saying? There is no point being the 8th best player in the world if the other players sitting at your table are the 7 best? Something like that.

so who plays at party 1000NL then? Do hallingol and spirit rock etc play there?

Move up when you have 25 buy-ins for the next level and move down when you have under 20 buy-ins in the level you are currently playing.

This is silly. You are moving down way too soon. You could easily lose 5 buy ins as a winning player.

Try moving down at 30 buy ins for the level below you.

Demi: that is what I pretty much think myself. I know that 25 buy-ins before moving up isnt necessary either but that is for making the stress about the money involved lesser.

Would it be better to move down with 15 buy-ins on current level or 30 buy-ins level below, if these arent the same thing..?

Originally Posted by Pingviini

I'll let others elaborate

you can just say 'ILOE'

And that I intend to do. That sort of lost its charm though..

And my new BR management criteria is: 25 buy-ins -->up, 15 buy-ins -->down.

I dunno, i like a tonne of buyins for high stakes pla because th consequence of busting is huge.

I might twitch the requirement 5 buy-ins higher after nl400. This seems more than enough at these limits..

I have discovered leaks in my game. Mostly related to betting/re-raising for value especially on river and then possibly folding to re-reraise. Will post some hands later on..

Originally Posted by pantherhound

so who plays at party 1000NL then? Do hallingol and spirit rock etc play there?

LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. No they are full of fish like Bmxicle.

Ping,

Hello there. I just finished reading your latest blog report, but unfortuantely, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You say that you're running hot but you lost four buy-ins in an hour. You also said you're halfway through your NL400 BR, does that mean you've blown half of it or you're half-way to getting to NL600?

I'm so confused. Please help.

WOOOHOO, somebody reads my blog!!

I have been running hot despite blowing of vast amounts of money due to that one hour period. So I am up about 3k after 17 hours of 2 tabling. My road to 3/6 BR wise started at 10k and will end at 15k, I am at 13k or so right now.

Me no can english, me will try easy write next time

Whew. Okay, I understood your blog post correctly then...it was just difficult (for me) trying to sort it all out.

Keep it going! 17hrs and up 3k? That's better than most day jobs, I think.

I read your blog too! Excellent stuff, and excellent going

First of all Pingviini, I love your blog, it is updated regulary, and it contains some interesting poker content, plus its always fun to watch someone develop as a player.

Myself I'm primary a PP SnG player, although I played some 10k hands of NL 25 full ring (camping) back in the days when bonuswhoring the party skins was very profitable.
Now I want to start playing some NL 25 6-max. I've already played a couple of sessions, and its loads of fun, especially because there are loads more fish than in full ring! But I'm interested in what a good general strategy is for these games. Generally I just look for a weak table, where I will play position - play tight in the early positions, while raising a lot of marginal hands on the button, and being really aggressive postflop. I know giving a general strategy for a poker game is impossible, because it always DEPENDS, but do you have any tips for a beginning 6-max player? (mind its NL 25 at party)

raise AJ+ and 99+ any position continuation bet every flop. Limp 22-88. That should be enough to beat NL25

Enjoy

Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

raise AJ+ and 99+ any position continuation bet every flop. Limp 22-88. That should be enough to beat NL25

Enjoy

That sounds almost like camping NL 25 full ring before the skins split
I want to integrate some aggressive positional play into my game in 6-max, like raising SC's on the button and outplaying my opponents postflop - but maybe I should wait with that till I've played a lot of hands your way and to when I move up in limits?

I would add some more marginal hands like T8s+ and 56s+ when folded to you on CO or so. If it seems that they are not folding PF or to your cbets tighten up. Like you said, tight OOP, looser on position.

After you have played more you will learn to get better reads which are vital in SH games. Those hands are good to start with and when you have played long enough you have most likely developed a style of your own. gl dane!

Thanks a lot.

I will start playing like you and Ilikeaces told me to, and see if I can develop my own style after adapting properly to 6-max ring.

And gl with your trip to NL 5/10 finn

I have been doing pretty decent in 3/6. Just wanted to promote my blog.

that is all.

pingviini, what site do you play 6-max at? I'm just playing NL 25 6-max at party atm and it suits me perfect, but I was wondering when I begin to move up in limits wether I should stay at party?

Party 6-max games are good all the way thru nl600

Any particular reason why nl1k games are so much harder than nl600 on party?

Where are the best 3/6 and 5/10 NL ring games on Internet?

I played an hour long session at 5/10 last night on Pokerstars. It wasn't that hard. I stepped in short with $500. There were a couple of real fish at the table. Most people are very aware obviously. It was a good learning experience. The one thing I found was that people get committed very easily when the pot gets to about $400. You can feel the emotion at the table (or was that just me?). I went down to $130 after a few moves gone bad. Then I trippled up on QQ against 99 and 22. After that I snapped off an all in flush bluff in a blind war for another double up. Made a few more moves that went well. Hit a full house and a straight. Ended up leaving with $1500 and feeling fortunate.

I will not play on Stars for taxational reasons. Party 5/10 sounds like a toughie but what about prima, or crypto, iPoker (Noble)?

Well the Party 5/10 NL 10-max game is a complete joke, but i assume you only play shorthanded. Yeh I would agree that 5/10 NL 6-max on Party is tough, with the likes of Liquid_Farts, lolotrickedu, RebuyFish, and Legandary_DonK to play against (if you do play there, avoid all of those players!)

I am currently working my way back up to 5/10 again which is where I should be given my 'roll. Just some bad cards recently demoralized me.

I wont be playing 5/10 until I get a 50k roll. I dropped quite a bit recently but I still have a winning recordin 5/10 SH. I just dont want to play with scared money and the huge swings at 5/10 require a big br and strong mental health. You end up toying with FE in big pots a lot more and I still have trouble identifying the best spots.

Theme of the week: pot size management, including:
-how to build up pots with strong hands in position (TPTK, 2 pair, strong draws with big FE etc)
-how to keep pots small with TPTK, max 9 outers etc when OOP.

Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

raise AJ+ and 99+ any position continuation bet every flop. Limp 22-88. That should be enough to beat NL25

Enjoy

is this advice meant for 6-max?

Originally Posted by Pingviini

I will not play on Stars for taxational reasons. Party 5/10 sounds like a toughie but what about prima, or crypto, iPoker (Noble)?

what reasons are those, i usually dont play on pokerstars at all?

Originally Posted by Renton

Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

raise AJ+ and 99+ any position continuation bet every flop. Limp 22-88. That should be enough to beat NL25

Enjoy

is this advice meant for 6-max?

No, full ring.

Originally Posted by Roco415

Originally Posted by Pingviini

I will not play on Stars for taxational reasons. Party 5/10 sounds like a toughie but what about prima, or crypto, iPoker (Noble)?

what reasons are those, i usually dont play on pokerstars at all?

poker (gambling) winnings from ETA-area (EU plus some other areas) are tax free. I would have to pay taxes should I play on stars. So I wont.

Originally Posted by Pingviini

Originally Posted by Roco415

Originally Posted by Pingviini

I will not play on Stars for taxational reasons. Party 5/10 sounds like a toughie but what about prima, or crypto, iPoker (Noble)?

what reasons are those, i usually dont play on pokerstars at all?

poker (gambling) winnings from ETA-area (EU plus some other areas) are tax free. I would have to pay taxes should I play on stars. So I wont.

Im very confused.. Ping where do you live? Why do you have to pay taxes on winnings from 'Stars but not from party? Are you saying that you dont have to pay taxes from poker winnings from European based poker companies?

Originally Posted by spino1i

Originally Posted by Pingviini

Originally Posted by Roco415

Originally Posted by Pingviini

I will not play on Stars for taxational reasons. Party 5/10 sounds like a toughie but what about prima, or crypto, iPoker (Noble)?

what reasons are those, i usually dont play on pokerstars at all?

poker (gambling) winnings from ETA-area (EU plus some other areas) are tax free. I would have to pay taxes should I play on stars. So I wont.

Im very confused.. Ping where do you live? Why do you have to pay taxes on winnings from 'Stars but not from party? Are you saying that you dont have to pay taxes from poker winnings from European based poker companies?

Yeah I think thats the idea, right Ping?

Does that apply to all EU countries? ie. I live in Ireland, do I have to pay taxes if I play on EU based poker sites?

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Originally Posted by spino1i

Originally Posted by Pingviini

Originally Posted by Roco415

Originally Posted by Pingviini

I will not play on Stars for taxational reasons. Party 5/10 sounds like a toughie but what about prima, or crypto, iPoker (Noble)?

what reasons are those, i usually dont play on pokerstars at all?

poker (gambling) winnings from ETA-area (EU plus some other areas) are tax free. I would have to pay taxes should I play on stars. So I wont.

Im very confused.. Ping where do you live? Why do you have to pay taxes on winnings from 'Stars but not from party? Are you saying that you dont have to pay taxes from poker winnings from European based poker companies?

Yeah I think thats the idea, right Ping?

Does that apply to all EU countries? ie. I live in Ireland, do I have to pay taxes if I play on EU based poker sites?

The EU rules are a little blurry, its not 100% sure that pokerwinnings won on a pokersite licensed in another EU-country are taxfree. Ask your national local tax office, they are the only ones who can give you the right answer.

Until now the danish IRS taxed pokerwinnings regardless of where the pokersite was licensed. Luckily danish taxation rules just got clarified this month, so danes from now dont have to pay taxes of EU-winnings.